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QuoteAfter all, none of the disciples ever read it, and neither did the early church.
Quote from: MusingMuso on March 24, 2012, 12:01:45 PMGenesis is impressive; . . . Quite how they got the order of things so right, when they knew nothing of the principal sciences associated with the formation of the planet and life on earth, I cannot even imagine.. . . adhere to the old prophecies, if Jesus was to be considered a deity. Hence the virgin birth myth, (for which there is little evidence), which plays a prominent part in Luke's gospel; Luke being specifically and very respectably Jewish.Is it possible that the "Christian way" is relevant to all religions and none?Is it possible to be a Christian humanist, a Christian agnostic and, dare I suggest, a Christian Atheist, Buddhist or Hindu?
Quote from: MusingMuso on March 24, 2012, 05:11:19 PMI respond very quickly, because we finally come to the heart of the subject.What if God is but a term for spiritual creation and re-creation?What if the virgin birth is seen as a baby born into the perfect family; unsullied by sin and selfishness?What if the crucifixion is repeated a thousand times; the slaughter of innocent children in Syria, for example?What if the ressurection happens time and time again, whenever the spiritual overcomes death and there is the realisation that you can't destroy an idea, a spiritual and human truth or keep a good man down?What if the ascension is both the constant re-affirmation of Christ's godly status, as well as the elevation of Christ's spiritual body, (his church), to the role of the ascended and divine authority?What if the spiritual world is altogther more meaningful and infintely less problematical; to the point that it is entirely compatible with science.What if, indeed!MM
Quote from: revtonynewnham on March 24, 2012, 06:53:16 PMI would want to emphasise that the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus are hard facts - historical events.
Quote from: revtonynewnham on March 24, 2012, 06:53:16 PMAlthough I see and understand, and to some extent like the arguments about the Virgin Birth, etc, I would want to emphasise that the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus are hard facts - historical events. Without them, the whole basis of the Christian faith disappears. Paul talks about that in one of the epistles "if Christ has not been raised from the dead, we are of all men the most miserable ... our faith is in vain".
Quote from: MusingMuso on March 25, 2012, 07:59:17 PMTherefore, it would be fair to say that even IF a deity decides to take on humnan form, then that human form must eventually die. The actual mechanism is largely irrelevant.
Quote from: David Pinnegar on March 25, 2012, 10:33:47 PM:-) But one can argue that the Genesis 1 Deity is "The Force that creates order out of Disorder", and "The Idea" with it and cannot die and "The Son of The Idea", as an idea, cannot die and in the Garden of Gethsemane when the stone is rolled away, Jesus, "The Son of The Idea", asks us to arise with him, for the spirit (communication of The Idea) cannot die and for us to arise with him that cannot die.If one sticks to the material, to the world of the concrete, one gets weighed down by the massiveness of the intractible problems. When one arises to the spiritual interpretation, all the problems evaporate away.[/color]I have half a feeling that the Book is for all to read, the followers of the material to argue about, and the spiritual to understand Postscript Indeed, from the moment of birth of all matter it is the force that ordered the disordered energy arising from the Big Bang into the order of matter.
QuoteThe spirit lives materially in the body of the church, and is passed on.
Quote from: David Pinnegar on March 26, 2012, 07:46:36 PMI have been pondering the consequences of the line of logic.......QuoteThe spirit lives materially in the body of the church, and is passed on.Yes - and after this how can anyone be atheist . . . or merely agnostic? Does it not makes sense and capable of doing so to everybody?
Quote from: MusingMuso on March 27, 2012, 02:32:13 PMSo it comes back to my original question. Is it possible to be a Christian agnostic, Buddhist or Hindu?If not, why not?MM
QuoteLet's not delude ourselves,because whatever the "creative force" of the universe is, it is utterly beyond our comprehension.
QuoteThe essential distinction of man from higher apes, is the ability to discover answerable questions bearing on the subject of the continuing search for fresh illustrations of universal principles. For example: Fire! Ever higher forms of fire! The human willful advantage of hotter expressions of fire!