Author Topic: 32ft on a manual  (Read 24394 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Holditch

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 174
  • Karma: +25/-0
    • View Profile
32ft on a manual
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:39:26 PM »
Having purchased "The Emperor's Fanfare" and listened to Carlo Curley's performance on the Girard College Organ in Pennsylvania it made me think how many other instruments in the world have a 32ft stop available on the manuals?

I suppose this is an American thing, i.e. size is everything, but it seems to work with the romantic music CC was playing

Here is some of the specification for the Girard organ

http://database.organsociety.org/SingleOrganDetails.php?OrganID=9032


Just answered my own question, Liverpool Anglican Cathedral (I suppose with that many ranks there had to be one on the manuals!)
« Last Edit: June 28, 2012, 07:01:12 PM by Holditch »
Dubois is driving me mad! must practice practice practice

KB7DQH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1377
  • Karma: +39/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2012, 03:03:08 AM »
If one looks through the "new pipe organs" board on this forum there is an instrument which ALL the pedal ranks are playable via the bottom or "Grand Choir" manual... the pedal ranks are actually extended in compass to allow for this.  Built in primarily French-Romantic style but tonally inspired by the Isnard instrument in Saint Maximin... Also has a "free-reed" Clarinette stop... It is installed in the Sacred Heart Co-Cathedral  in Houston, Texas, and was built by one of the organbuilders local to me... Martin Pasi, as his Opus 19.  So... another one...

Eric
KB7DQH
The objective is to reach human immortality—that is, to create things which are necessary to mankind, necessary to the purpose of the existence of mankind, and which have become the fruit that drives the creation of a higher state of mankind than ever existed before."

David Drinkell

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 336
  • Karma: +26/-1
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2012, 08:04:01 AM »
Having purchased "The Emperor's Fanfare" and listened to Carlo Curley's performance on the Girard College Organ in Pennsylvania it made me think how many other instruments in the world have a 32ft stop available on the manuals?

British examples include the Royal Albert Hall, Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Newcastle Cathedral, Ely Cathedral and Melton Mowbray Parish Church.  The Ely example was disconnected at the 1975 rebuild but reappeared in 2001.  Peterborough used to have one, but it disappeared at the last rebuild (I thought it was a shame to lose the enormous spread of 32, three 16s, Phonon, 3 Opens, two flutes and Dulciana).

I've often wondered why there aren't more 32' reeds in very big Swells.

32' pitch on the manuals is more useful than might at first appear.  A lot of French symphonic music presupposes a Cavaille-Coll organ witrh a sub coupler on the Grand, so gravity is an essential part of the concept.

MusingMuso

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 201
  • Karma: +25/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 02:36:25 PM »
Having purchased "The Emperor's Fanfare" and listened to Carlo Curley's performance on the Girard College Organ in Pennsylvania it made me think how many other instruments in the world have a 32ft stop available on the manuals?

British examples include the Royal Albert Hall, Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Newcastle Cathedral, Ely Cathedral and Melton Mowbray Parish Church.  The Ely example was disconnected at the 1975 rebuild but reappeared in 2001.  Peterborough used to have one, but it disappeared at the last rebuild (I thought it was a shame to lose the enormous spread of 32, three 16s, Phonon, 3 Opens, two flutes and Dulciana).

I've often wondered why there aren't more 32' reeds in very big Swells.

32' pitch on the manuals is more useful than might at first appear.  A lot of French symphonic music presupposes a Cavaille-Coll organ witrh a sub coupler on the Grand, so gravity is an essential part of the concept.



Hello,

Don't forget the Schulze at Doncaster PC, which although a tenor C register, was probably the earliest example.

Best

MM

Barrie Davis

  • Global Moderator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 358
  • Karma: +37/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 06:33:11 PM »
Hi

After looking at spec leaflets from H&H most of their 32's started from tenor C so was this the norm? I cannot find the Willis brochure about Liverpool so do not know if this was the case there.

Barrie

David Drinkell

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 336
  • Karma: +26/-1
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 08:17:09 PM »
Hello,

Don't forget the Schulze at Doncaster PC, which although a tenor C register, was probably the earliest example.

Best

MM

Yes, of course, Doncaster was the inspiration for Ely et al.  I knew I would forget something (it was about 3.30 in the morning in Newfoundland).  I shouldn't be surprised if there are one or two more lurking around the place.

pcnd5584

  • Administrator
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 251
  • Karma: +23/-3
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 10:49:29 PM »
Having purchased "The Emperor's Fanfare" and listened to Carlo Curley's performance on the Girard College Organ in Pennsylvania it made me think how many other instruments in the world have a 32ft stop available on the manuals?

British examples include the Royal Albert Hall, Liverpool Anglican Cathedral, Newcastle Cathedral, Ely Cathedral and Melton Mowbray Parish Church.  The Ely example was disconnected at the 1975 rebuild but reappeared in 2001.  Peterborough used to have one, but it disappeared at the last rebuild (I thought it was a shame to lose the enormous spread of 32, three 16s, Phonon, 3 Opens, two flutes and Dulciana).

I've often wondered why there aren't more 32' reeds in very big Swells.

32' pitch on the manuals is more useful than might at first appear.  A lot of French symphonic music presupposes a Cavaille-Coll organ witrh a sub coupler on the Grand, so gravity is an essential part of the concept.



Hello,

Don't forget the Schulze at Doncaster PC, which although a tenor C register, was probably the earliest example.

Best

MM

.... Or that at Norwich Cathedral: the Primary G.O. has a Double Gedeckt - although again to C13 only.
Pierre Cochereau rocked, man

David Pinnegar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1679
  • Karma: +66/-3
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 11:43:27 PM »
Hi!

The Dom Bedos re-creation instrument at Rieti in Italy by Formentelli is also another . . .

Best wishes

David P
David Pinnegar, BSc ARCS

MusingMuso

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 201
  • Karma: +25/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2012, 07:50:51 AM »
Hi

After looking at spec leaflets from H&H most of their 32's started from tenor C so was this the norm? I cannot find the Willis brochure about Liverpool so do not know if this was the case there.

Barrie



So far as I know, the 32ft at Liverpool is a full compass Violone, and goes right to the bottom note. Indeed, the Pedal stop-list says, Violone 32ft "From Great." The pipes are visible in the West facing cases.

I don't think I'ver ever heard a 32ft Violone which purrs like the Liverpool one. It sounds like a pampered Cheetah.  (I've walked one on a lead and stroked it...I know about these things).   :)

Best,

MM







JBR

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 121
  • Karma: +22/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2012, 10:43:46 PM »
The 'new' (2002) wood Pedal Principal 32' at Cologne Cathedral is not available on the Hauptwerk.  I'd have thought that this would be too powerful for manual use, although I haven't heard it.

As far as I know, this is in addition to the whole of the Pedal being available on the IV manual.
A missionary from Yorkshire to the primitive people of Lancashire

David Pinnegar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1679
  • Karma: +66/-3
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 09:54:29 PM »
As far as I know, this is in addition to the whole of the Pedal being available on the IV manual.

This is rather interesting . . . is it that the whole of the 4th manual is available on pedal? This is the case with the 3rd manual at St Maximin

Best wishes

David P
David Pinnegar, BSc ARCS

JBR

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 121
  • Karma: +22/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 10:29:01 PM »
As far as I know, this is in addition to the whole of the Pedal being available on the IV manual.

This is rather interesting . . . is it that the whole of the 4th manual is available on pedal? This is the case with the 3rd manual at St Maximin

Best wishes

David P

Sorry, my mistake (or is it 'my bad' these days?).  It is actually a Pedal to IV Manual coupler, that is, the Pedal stops are NOT individually available on the IV Manual, as I mistakenly wrote.

Also, my original message should say that the Principal 32' is 'NOW' available on the Hauptwerk and not, as I wrote, 'NOT' available.

I was either in a rush or my mind is going soggy with old age.  I prefer the former!
« Last Edit: July 01, 2012, 10:32:02 PM by JBR »
A missionary from Yorkshire to the primitive people of Lancashire

David Wyld

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 48
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 10:07:30 AM »
Our new instrument at St. Mathew-in-the-City in Auckland (New Zealand) has a manual 32ft - see the spec in the lowest section of the page at     http://www.willis-organs.com/auckland_general.html

It is much used!

David Wyld.

MusingMuso

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 201
  • Karma: +25/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 11:09:15 AM »
Our new instrument at St. Mathew-in-the-City in Auckland (New Zealand) has a manual 32ft - see the spec in the lowest section of the page at     http://www.willis-organs.com/auckland_general.html

It is much used!
David Wyld.


=====================


How very strange!

I'd have thought they'd avoid anything which rumbled in New Zealand.

It's like installing a wind machine on an organ in Colorado, or a cinema-organ type surf effect on a Japanese instrument.

MM

David Pinnegar

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1679
  • Karma: +66/-3
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 09:09:56 PM »
I'd have thought they'd avoid anything which rumbled in New Zealand.

Dear MM

I'm not at all sure about your sense of humour on this occasion. . . . Hope our Antipodean friends will understand antagonist humour.

There is a bridge above a bypass in East Grinstead which appears to be a place of repeated tragedies. Recently I commented that instead of absurd Health and Safety measures there should merely be a notice there informing the public that any suicide attempts would be punishable by the death penalty.

Best wishes

David P
David Pinnegar, BSc ARCS

JBR

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 121
  • Karma: +22/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2012, 09:20:55 PM »
Our new instrument at St. Mathew-in-the-City in Auckland (New Zealand) has a manual 32ft - see the spec in the lowest section of the page at     http://www.willis-organs.com/auckland_general.html

It is much used!

David Wyld.

Is this the same one on the Pedal, duplexed?  I think that, whenever there is a suitable (ie, not too overpowering) 32' on the Pedal, it should be available on the Great (or vice versa) as the cost would be minimal.
A missionary from Yorkshire to the primitive people of Lancashire

MusingMuso

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 201
  • Karma: +25/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 10:11:41 PM »


I'm not at all sure about your sense of humour on this occasion. . . . Hope our Antipodean friends will understand antagonist humour.



Dear David,

It isn't antagonist humour. Perhaps more graveyard humour with a hint of irony....think "Adam's Family Values."

I think that the people I know in New Zealand would appreciate the joke, even if it made them wince a bit.

The bridge thing is quite amusing to me personally, because they had a notice erected at Devil's Bridge, Kirby Lonsdale, from which generations of boys and youths have hurled themselves over the centuries. (It's about 50 or 60ft down to the river below).

Anyway, the notice curiously read:-

BYELAW (date)

It is an offence to jump from this broidge without good cause.

A group of disappointed boys asked me what a "good cause" was, to which I replied, "a swarm of bees."

Try prosecuting that one in court!

They all spent the rest of the afternoon hurling themselves into the river below;their friends making loud buzzing noises as they dived or jumped.

Don't you just love law?   :D

Best,
 
MM
[/quote]

MusingMuso

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 201
  • Karma: +25/-2
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2012, 11:35:22 PM »
I'd have thought they'd avoid anything which rumbled in New Zealand.

Dear MM

I'm not at all sure about your sense of humour on this occasion. . . . Hope our Antipodean friends will understand antagonist humour.

Best wishes

David P


Fuirther to my graveyard humour concerning earthquakes and organs, I've taken the liberty of re-posting this from the Mander Discussion Board.

This is an organ and an earthquake recorded simultaneously.


http://www.gearslutz.com/board/8035480-post1.html

This one was only 7 on the Richter scale!   It's horrible!

Best,

MM

KB7DQH

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1377
  • Karma: +39/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2012, 07:38:26 PM »
I don't know about "horrible"... unless you are playing this piece through significant equipment and happen to simultaneously melt down the audio amplifier and anything connected to it :o :o :o

My computer speakers consist of a 12 inch dual-coil subwoofer (serving as a support for the monitor) with internal crossover driving a pair of (gasp!) :o ;) two-way speakers, which the soundcard on this machine for most applications oddly enough is adequate, until I played that .mp3 file :o  The effect during the intensifying of the earthquake near the point where the organist stops playing, where the subsonics begin to peak, causes a noticeable drop in the output above the subwoofer crossover point... making it sound like tape dropouts.  ??? ??? ???

 So I played the file through the other computer tied to the Hi-Fi, which uses much larger amplifiers, and electronic separation of the infrasonic thru 16 ft. pitch which is fed to an infinite-baffle subwoofer.  No "high-frequency" dropout observed... but did have to rearrange the furniture and take an aspirin ;) 8) 8) 8)

Eric
KB7DQH
The objective is to reach human immortality—that is, to create things which are necessary to mankind, necessary to the purpose of the existence of mankind, and which have become the fruit that drives the creation of a higher state of mankind than ever existed before."

flared_ophicleide

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 50
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: 32ft on a manual
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2013, 12:46:02 AM »
Of the many organs in the UK, I wonder if there's one with a 32' reed on the manual?

 


Locations of visitors to this page

Organ Design


Latroba Holidays