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God is not big daddy
« on: April 18, 2010, 10:42:10 PM »
Hi!

The other day someone happened to exclaim that the Big Bang was nothing to do with God. I happened to disagree. . .

"In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god".

Rather than the image of a big daddy   sitting on a cloud in the sky I choose the definition of god as   something like the omnipotent, invisible and omnipresent.

As a physicist   we are very aware of more dimensions than we experience directly, our   dimensions being but shadows of further dimensional space.

Our   exploration into the godrealm is looking around the corners of our   shadows to glimpse around into those further dimensions that we just   can't quite see directly. These are part of our space, nevertheless, and   all matter and all space flowed out from the conversion of energy into   matter at the big bang via orderly or orderly disorderly laws, "the   word", with which, all matter and energy has to comply in order to   exist. Our religions teach us how to be in harmony with that space,   matter and laws included within which are relationships with other   beings of the animal and human world, all created from the same matter   and laws. So really the Big Bang is not at all unbiblical. Let there be   light!

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Re: God is not big daddy
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 08:07:31 PM »
Hi!

It turns out that Plato, around 23 centuries ago, was "on to something" in modern physics. The 3 dimensional solidity that we experience is, according to modern physics, an illusory 3 dimensional shadow of 6 dimensional space. Our 3 dimensional solidity has an existence in each of the other 3 dimensions which we cannot see. It's these that we turn our heads around to see but can't quite glimpse, the realms in which the "godworld" inhabits, invisible, everywhere and all powerful, having an influence in the realm in which we live.

Plato described it as us being entrapped in a cave where all we could experience of the outside was that of the shadows on the walls of the figures in the outside world, and our understanding of the reality being unable to surpass the mere shadows as our reality.

The teaching of religions is that when one cooperates with the gracious forces that form the cosmos, the force flows through you in such a way that you may become conscious of it and you can work as part of it and with it. It's a state of being, a state in harmony with all the universal laws of all creation and this extends to our relationships with other people.

Before Christ, love was familial, tribal. It was simply a power-unit, the protection provided by which enabled groups to cooperate internally and to thrive. But after Christ, the cooperation with the harmony of natural laws enabled the injunction to "love God" and to "love your neighbour as yourself", extending cooperation to enable individuals to rise above the bounds of mere blood-ties.

Hope this makes a little sense . . .

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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 10:33:20 PM »
Author and end of all things, and, from work
Now resting, blessed and hallowed the seventh Day,
As resting on that day from all his work;
But not in silence holy kept: the harp
Had work, and rested not; the solemn pipe
And dulcimer, all organs of sweet stop,
All sounds on fret by string or golden wire,
Tempered soft tunings, intermixed with voice
Choral or unison;

Quoted from the seventh book,  John Milton, Paradise Lost

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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 04:06:45 PM »
I tend to stick to my own version of 'intelligent design' - that Darwinian evolution did and does happen, and that there was a big bang, and that the Earth and all around it have evolved over millions of years, and that planets are (roughly) spherical, etc... but that, for there to be a Big Bang, something had to be there already to go bang, and that evolution has occurred much as Darwin mapped it, but to a great pre-ordained plan... though, if God loved all of Creation so much, why did he allow the dinosaur to die out? There's a question for you! And no-one can blame it on humanity...

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2010, 07:08:43 PM »
I tend to stick to my own version of 'intelligent design' - that Darwinian evolution did and does happen, and that there was a big bang, and that the Earth and all around it have evolved over millions of years

Well, actually that's one view of the whole point. It all came to happen because the laws of the universe, the laws of space, of matter with gravitation and electromagnetic fields all combine to cause it to happen. There is a sort of harmony between all that must happen, a quantum connectivity too, and there is a lot happening in the dimensions of which we cannot be directly aware. In all this there is the omnipresent, the omnipotent and the invisible.

The other day I was hosting a school party and I remarked to them of the miracle of DNA at Hammerwood Park. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIj6fWRl8-A

How does anyone possibly think that primeval simple elements in a primordial soup can come together to form proteins and that simply four of those proteins can come together in a structured way on a double helix that just happens to be a self replicating computer programme that is a self-building machine for organisms to self build and replicate . . . ?

Isn't it too much of a miracle for it all to have happened by itself?

How did Windows 3.1 develop into Windows 95 and Windows 95 develop into 98. Millennium edition, 2000, NT, XT Vista etc etc? Did it evolve on computers without intervention or was it engineered progressing one version to the next?

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Re: God is not big daddy
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2010, 03:34:42 PM »
Hi!

Today we are hosting a Byron Katie workshop. I had never heard of her but she promotes interesting processes of good thought to release suffering. In her writings http://www.thework.com/downloads/little_book/Little_Book_English_032310.pdf
she exposes an interesting definition of the all powerful, omnipresent and invisible:

Reality is God, because it rules.

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