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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2011, 11:42:52 AM »
And then there are  pipe organs installed in department stores, Art galleries, and museums...
although this is hardly a "normal" fixture in such institutions :( 

A good many cinema organs have found their way into pizza restaurants here in the USA...
One of my most memorable encounters with a pipe organ of any type was a childhood visit to Pizza and Pipes in Tacoma, Washington... Sadly, the restaurant burned  more than a decade ago, and what was left of the Wurlitzer sold to keep another going...

Moreover, many of the surviving cinema organs here in the USA which have been removed from their first home are now residence organs :o  However, one such instrument was removed from its residence, and would have been installed, playable, in the Smithsonian Institution's musical instrument section... but the Smithsonian lost interest in the project...  Guess where it lives now  ??? :o??? ??? :o :o

:o It is currently installed in... A department store...  The very same Macy's which houses the Wanamaker Grand Court organ...  in the room where Wanamaker's sold pianos...........

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 05:04:02 AM »
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Year That Began Like a Dirge for San Diego’s Organist Ends in Joy


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/us/san-diegos-civic-organist-survives-to-welcome-another-year.html?_r=1

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SAN DIEGO — On the best days, loyal fans say, it is possible to hear the thundering organ three miles away. Weighing nearly 100,000 pounds with more than 4,500 pipes, it is nearly the largest outdoor organ in the world.


Devotees here puff up with pride at the unique features of the organ, which will turn 97 on New Year’s Eve. But perhaps nothing makes them prouder than the fact that their city is the only one left in America still paying for a civic organist. So this year, the birthday celebration comes with a huge sigh of relief.

Facing serious budget deficits, San Diego officials considered eliminating the job, which had been on the city payroll for nearly a century. The city chips in about $30,000 toward the $56,000 salary of the organist, who plays free concerts each Sunday afternoon in Balboa Park, the sprawling space in the center of the city.

Is the job a luxury? Carol Williams, the official organist for the last decade, says undoubtedly yes. But to her admirers, it is a luxury that would be silly to eliminate.

“You feel kind of guilty because you know how much is being cut, but this is a moneymaker for the city,” said Ms. Williams, who each week tries to shed the organ of what she calls its “dowdy” image as she plays to a broad audience, typically in the hundreds.

In the last decade, she has learned that while fugues that go on for 20 minutes may receive a standing ovation in concert halls, people in Balboa Park will simply get up and leave. “They seem to have a knack to do so just as I turn around to speak to the audience,” Ms. Williams said. “But really, I love knowing that many people would not be hearing an organ anywhere else.”

On Christmas Day, a crowd packed the organ pavilion to listen to everything from Handel’s “Hallelujah” chorus to a sing-along of “Jingle Bells” and “Silent Night.” The young children were gripping their newly unwrapped presents, and the teenagers sported tank tops appropriate for the cloudless 75-degree weather.

On most Sundays, organizers say, about a third of the listeners are tourists, including some music aficionados who travel just to see the organ, featured in the countless travel guides sold about the sunny beach city.

Councilman Carl DeMaio does not dispute that the organ is a tourist attraction and treasured by locals. But, he said, the city needs to seriously consider what it pays for.

“We’ve decimated our basic park services, we’ve cut a third of libraries, and our roads are literally falling apart,” Mr. DeMaio said, dismissing the notion that the $30,000 is just a tiny fraction of the city’s $1 billion operating budget.

“Saying, ‘Well, it’s just a rounding error,’ that’s the government mentality,” he said. “Soon you have a lot of different rounding errors that add up to a lot of money.”

Of the $250,000 budget to put on the Sunday concerts and a Monday night series in the summer, the Spreckels Organ Society, named for the sugar heir who gave the organ to the city as a gift before the Panama-California Exposition in 1915, collects about $30,000 from members and $42,000 from the city. It raises the rest through grants and other outside donations.

Ross Porter, the administrator of the society, said he had not been surprised to be challenged this year, when “every penny is getting turned over twice.” But he was also not surprised when hundreds of supporters sent letters to the City Council and the local newspapers, saying the money was hardly different from the city’s subsidizing sports venues and development projects. And Ms. Williams, who has a doctorate from the Manhattan School of Music and is the first woman to hold the civic organist post, has built up a following that lines up to buy her CDs after shows.

In the end, Ms. Williams’s contract was renewed for 10 years, and the society raised more money than it had in some time.

“We’ve had some very lean years since 2000,” Mr. Porter said. “Our triumph this year was that we fought, which got us more attention, and that we won. We certainly didn’t take it lying down.”

That competitive ferocity can be seen in other aspects of the organ’s operations. For years, it was considered the largest outdoor organ in the world, but the benefactors of an organ in Austria recently sent an e-mail notifying the Spreckels Organ Society that it had been outdone. Ms. Williams is not worried; her supporters promised to add another batch of pipes soon enough.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: December 27, 2011

An earlier version of this article attributed an erroneous distinction to the Balboa Park organ. It is among the world’s largest outdoor organs; it is not “nearly the largest in the world.”

Well, arguably the "Heroes Organ" in Austria is the "loudest"... To protect the organist the console is located some hundreds of feet below the pipework in a concrete vault :o :o :o

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2011, 01:33:37 PM »
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Ms. Williams said. “But really, I love knowing that many people would not be hearing an organ anywhere else.”

This is a crucial point that is too often overlooked by organ enthusiasts, who would hear organs wherever they happened to be. Town-hall organs have an outreach capability that is difficult to harness from within the church or cathedral setting. We have tried for example, with widely varying results that defy explanation, to bring this idea to Southampton Guildhall and its multi-function Compton that is seemingly just right for the job. A number of groups of people with no prior interest in the organ had a chance to discover its music in a way that would not have been possible in a different environment.

FWIW, Carol Williams played there not long ago, with a varied programme that seemed to have a good cross-sectional appeal. The finale could scarcely have failed to make an impact - I was in the relay room at the moment she hit the Tutti piston to round off with Widor's Toccata and the whole thing lit up like a firework display. When I returned to the auditorium I found that the entire audience had been blown to the back of the hall and were just picking themselves up. San Diego councillors presumably recognise the value in being able to broadcast these dynamics in a public setting, in a way that recorded music even now struggles to imitate.

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 02:53:34 PM »
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Ms. Williams said. “But really, I love knowing that many people would not be hearing an organ anywhere else.”
San Diego councillors presumably recognise the value in being able to broadcast these dynamics in a public setting, in a way that recorded music even now struggles to imitate.

Hi!

Providing a non ecclesiastical setting is part of what my concert platform at Hammerwood Park is all about - so if anyone can light up an audience and wants to . . . then organists are always welcome.

With regard to recorded music, compression of signals for radio is a pain in the neck. The signal, often listened to in a car, has to overcome the noise of machinery and a noise level much higher than previous generations have experienced. To them, pianissimos were audible and made impact in themselves whilst fortissimos were positively deafening, now drowned out by nightclub computermusik. Most pianists nowadays especially out of college don't know how to play pianissimo and bash the piano too hard - and modern Steinways, Yamahas, Bosendorfers and all the rest are very politely tolerant to such playing even if unmusical it remains. Adolfo Barabino is an excellent tutor for any young pianist, giving lessons in touch and hammer momentum.

Even recorded CDs are processed too much for my liking and also modern speakers with moving parts of differing mass and resulting momentum at best compress the sound and at worst sound bad unless fed by a bland diet of equalised sound levels. This is one of the reasons for my seeking perfection in speaker design as speakers are at the heart nowadays of musical enjoyment and dissemination of enthusiasm.

Whilst I recommended a member here to the Tannoy DC2000 units and that recommendation has been successful for his Hauptwerk organ, both Tannoy units and very expensive full range Manger units compress sound dynamics. Speakers should sit there requiring you to say to them "Surprise me!" and being willing to do so.

Much of Radio 3's output is a good deal less compressed than many other radio stations, but their 1.30am-6am "Through the Night" broadcasts, often of live recorded concerts, are often truly exceptional. I wish they would insert more of such programming during the day . . .

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2011, 04:29:36 PM »
Hi
Dynamics in recorded music is always going to be a controversial area, simply because of the range of situations that listeners are in, levels of background noise, and what is tolerable by neighbours/family etc.  Priory at one time claimed that their CD's used no dynamic manipulation - I don't know if that's still the case, but I would hope so.

However, for general listening, a degree of volume compression is pretty much essential.  I have a CD of Dupre organ music.  I've used this as a demo once or twice of the problem - I pick a fortissimo passage and get the audience to indicate a concensus volume level that they're comfortable with.  Moving to a pp passage leads to an nigh on inaudible sound.  The recording has retained at least most of the dynamics of the original organ - but in most listening situations, that dynamic range is too great for comfort, except for the real enthusiast with hi-fi equipment that will cleanly handle the extremes.

In the old days, records and radio broadcasts were a juggling act between the system noise level at the bottom end and distortion at the high volume end, and limitations of the medium meant that the dynamic range had to be reduced.  Done skillfully by a human being, it usually passed relatively unnoticed.  However, these days, much f this seems to have been replaced by, in the first place, the race to have the loudest CD (especially in the popular music world), leading to discs with very little dynamic range, and what there is around 0dBFS - and often including deliberate clipping.  Then there's the automation on most radio stations - again artificial processing that's intended to maximise the perceived signal level - some stations almost show a continuous level on an audio level meter, with maybe a few dB of variation.

Sadly, the real hi-fi/music enthusiast (and by hi-fi I mean the old definition of an attempt to get as close as possible to the real sound, not the modern so-called "hi-fi" equipment peddled by most electronics departments and non-specialist shops that's no more than a glorified radio/CD with small speakers and limited performance) is a distinct minority.  At least - given the right domestic conditions (and enough cash) we can listen to high quality material at home (as long as the ambient level/neighbour effect allows!).

The current marketing hype for data-compressed audio (mp3's etc) doesn't help either.  The average man in the street seems happy to accept quality that sometimes barely matches a cassette recorder or dication machine (with some of the lower data rates - and the same goes for DAB.

I'm not sure of the current situation, but at one time I gather that BBC radio 3 on the Sky satellite was broadcast uncompressed.

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2011, 07:23:03 PM »
I agree with everything Tony has said with the exception that it requires vast sums of money to create  accurate electronic media reproduction facilities, as I have been able to by minimizing to the greatest extent possible the purchase of new equipment... and in many cases acquiring fine components for the asking, or in some cases, I didn't have to ask :o ;D 8) but was prepared to accept the gift of the redundant components ;) 

Granted, one must accept a degree of delayed gratification as the systems (both in-home and vehicular)
have taken time to assemble...

I have occasionally joked that my effort so far has cost as much as what some have spent on their interconnect and speaker cables, however the results have proven to be most effective and entertaining for those who have foolishly made that expenditure and have had an opportunity to listen to the results of my work-in-progress...   ;D

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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2012, 04:34:41 AM »
http://www.pnj.com/article/20120205/LIFE/202050307/Saenger-organ-get-new-life?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cp

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It sounds like a tuba, a saxophone, a violin, an English horn and even a bass drum.

But for years, the grand pipe organ at the Pensacola Saenger Theatre has been quiet — hushed by hurricanes that damaged its thousand-plus pipes and years of neglect.

Now, the Friends of the Saenger, the theater's fundraising group, is hoping to raise $330,000 to restore the 1925 Robert Morton Wonder organ to its former glory. When work is completed on the organ, its value could rise to $3 million, said Tom Helms, former Saenger organist and a renowned pipe organ builder who is leading the refurbishing effort.

"They couldn't have operated the Saenger Theatre in the early years without it," said Helms, 57, who has worked on pipe organs across the country. "It was such an integral part of everything that went on here."

The organ has been part of the Saenger since its opening on April 2, 1925, and in its early years produced music and sound effects for silent films and accompanied vaudeville acts.

The pipe organ is an instrument that produces sound by pushing wind through pipes by using a keyboard. The keyboard is part of the console, which includes foot pedals, pull stops and other pieces. The console is the most visible portion of the pipe organ — when it was played, it would often rise dramatically from the orchestra pit — but it is not the most important or the most expensive.

That would be the wood and metal pipes that are built into the Saenger's walls — the organ was integrated into the theater's design.

The current organ has about 1,700 pipes. When the work is completed, those pipes will be repaired or replaced, and about 1,700 new pipes will be added, doubling the pipe capacity and sound capabilities.

Organ's origin

The original console was destroyed in the 1980s, and a new one was built from scratch by Helms and Barcley Rhea, now deceased. It debuted with a performance of "The Phantom of the Opera" in 1985 with Helms at the console.

In modern times, the pipe organ was used for various musical performances and by groups such as the Pensacola Children's Chorus during the annual Christmas performances.

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Saenger officials believe that Allen Pote, founder of the Children's Chorus, was the last person to play it.

"Gosh, it must have been about 15 years ago," Pote said. "I was dressed up like Santa Claus and came out of the pit playing 'Here Comes Santa Claus.' I'm telling you, when it comes out of the floor, it's a real dramatic moment."

At the time, the organ was owned by the local Theatre Organ Society, which had acquired it a decade earlier. Though the organ is built into the Saenger, Society officials were the ones who controlled access to it and were responsible for its upkeep.

But as members aged and the society's numbers dwindled, the upkeep of the organ was forgotten.

"We had to quit using it," Pote said. "Dust and grime started getting in the pipes."

Notes would shriek or not end when they were supposed to. The sound was fading.

"The hurricanes really hurt it," Helms said. "The roof leaked, and it rained on the pipe work. It would shriek and make all this noise. It was horrible."

Fundraisers planned

For years, the console sat in the basement of the Saenger, and the pipes were nearly forgotten.

Early in the 2000s, the city — now owner of the theater — acquired ownership of the organ, but its refurbishing was put on hold to concentrate on the $15 million renovation campaign that increased the size of the theater and added modern sound features, new dressing rooms, new electrical and air-conditioning units and even new theater seats.

Now is the time to rescue the organ, said Sherri Hemminghaus-Weeks, president emeritus of Friends of the Saenger.

"I feel like it's the final piece needed to bring the Saenger back," Weeks said. "It will be so awe-inspiring. It will be such an amazing enhancement to the community."

Already, fundraisers are in the works. Jim Flournay, 61, is hosting an invitation-only party at his Palafox Place home to raise money for the organ. He'll bring big donors up to his second-story residence during an upcoming Mardi Gras parade to enjoy the festivities.

"I think we have a wonderful opportunity," Flournay said. "In my view, this will make the Saenger even better — the best it can be."

Helms has been quietly preparing in recent years for the restoration. He made trips to New Orleans to pick up gold leaf for the console and is purchasing quality organ pipes from across the country.

"I'm very excited," Helms said. "We're cleaning pipes, adding new pipes. Some will be vintage from theaters that have been torn down."

He's already purchased some pipes that were part of the pipe organ that was once used in the Haunted Mansion attraction at Disney World.

"Disney is in our veins," he said.

Included in the article is a stoplist of sorts...  A "Plein Jeu" on a Theater organ ??? ???

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2012, 11:20:55 AM »
I like the idea of theatre organs having proper diapason choruses. I just hope they don't revoice it all so it sounds like one of these cobbled-together pizza organs...

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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2012, 04:54:33 AM »
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THE stunning Wurlitzer pipe organ at Kingston City Hall now has a dedicated organist.

Scott Harrison has been appointed organist for the Wurlitzer Theatre Pipe Organ at the city hall.

Mr Harrison will be the key musician for the community’s rare asset, performing at events such as the Australia Day breakfast, citizenship ceremonies and other council events.

Mr Harrison said he was honoured by the appointment.

“We at Kingston have such a rare and unique musical treasure with the Wurlitzer and I feel very privileged to be presenting it to the public on a regular basis,” he said.

http://moorabbin-leader.whereilive.com.au/lifestyle/story/kingston-musician-ready-to-give-organ-a-wurl/

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Re: Town hall organs
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2012, 05:41:35 PM »
I like the idea of theatre organs having proper diapason choruses. I just hope they don't revoice it all so it sounds like one of these cobbled-together pizza organs...

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You would therefore like the Wurlitzer organ in the Radio City Music Hall, New York, which is a more or less "straight" organ.

However, if you investigate the sonic nature of the "unit orchestra," you would soon discover that the Diapasons only combine because they are part diaphonic and elsewhere, rather "censored." The true chorus register is the Tibia, which blends perfectly with absolutely everything else.

This is why the theatre organ is such a clever invention; albeit one with very little specific repertoire, save for a few isolated pieces and the one I composed.

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2012, 02:24:24 AM »
I do like what I've heard of it. I believe it was originally to have been built by Kimball, but at the last minute for some reason Wurlitzer kept the contract, but Kimball's design was retained. This would also explain why it bears a marked similarity to the Atlantic City Convention Hall's 4/52 Kimball... and as a matter of fact in the last week I've done a lot of 'investigating' at the East Sussex National Hotel, Spa and Golf Course 4/32 Wurlitzer bitsa. I was at the opening concert last night, too - were any other forum members (other than "ruth alexandra") there?

 


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