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Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by David Pinnegar on February 07, 2020, 01:55:17 PM »
Dear Ian

Thanks so much both for your encouragement, help, and link which is really appreciated.

However, the apparent don't-care attitude of MDA hasn't won them universal admiration and encouragement of competing systems might be cause for them to change in a better direction. Hauptwerk has had some 8 years or so of support from prime first-page linking from this forum, without apparently an ounce of gratitude or recognition. In contrast the suppliers of the competing softwares are extremely genial and perhaps MDA might appreciate the value of such in the future.

The new customer service manager certainly has some work to do and perhaps his employment is at least a start.

Best wishes and many thanks,

David P
Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by ILP on February 07, 2020, 01:11:38 PM »

I take the point that the software is complex, and places quite high demands on computers, but this is how it obtains its excellent results and caters for (eg) multi-channel sound systems. I have 10 channels for a few stops on the hybrid organ in church, which work very well in the context. Once you see the logic, the setting up all does work well, but this can be tricky, even though the documentation is detailed and comprehensive.  On the other hand, a small to medium sized organ running into stereo speakers, perhaps with a sub, will run on an i3 laptop with 4 GB RAM with only an ASIO capable soundcard (eg Behringer under £20). Hardly extreme!

BTW many HW sample sets, including some Milan ones, do support the real instrument.

I've also sent you a link by PM.

Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by David Pinnegar on February 06, 2020, 09:53:27 PM »
Your problem with version 4.1 / 4.2 is easy to solve. If you have a version 4 dongle, you simply download the newer version.

In insertion of my name and email address and clicking on the appropriate upgrade button, the Submit does nothing but take me back to the home page.

Perhaps it might be easy to see why it might not be difficult to be disillusioned with the Hauptwerk service. MDA's new customer service manager will have some convincing to do.

Best wishes

David P
Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by David Pinnegar on February 06, 2020, 08:05:37 PM »
Dear Ian

I'm delighted at your satisfaction with the software and its results, and I have a very creditable instrument at Hammerwood at Hammerwood Park thanks to the generosity of a wonderful fellow St Maximin enthusiast and which will be expanded in due course. In that regard thank you so very much for advice and links to the upgrade download.

I'm not the only one scratching my head with lack of ability to get support for Hauptwerk software - not even the suppliers of the Version 4.2 sample sets know about how to sort that out so your help here is really wonderful. Thank so much.

At a school in Surrey I'm helping with sorting out an installation they're building, a four manual instrument that's presented one obstacle after another and getting any answers from Milan Digital Audio has been wholly unproductive.

Of course application of their software should be simple but it seduces into what can be ambitious projects and the school called me in having installed a forty channel audio system. Getting this working has been a nightmare and we're not out of the woods yet. MDA leaving their customer out in the cold has not generated enthusiasm. They give me the impression that they think they've got such a hold on the market they really couldn't care less about anyone battling to get quite complicated systems based on their software to work. I look forward to being proved wrong.

In the meantime Organteq new on the block comes from a very experienced instrument simulation software stable and appears promising. Simulating pianos is much more complex than simulating organs and they've achieved Pianoteq with very great success. Meanwhile Grand Organ sets out not only to provide good organ reproduction but to support pipe organs and the pipe organ industry. I'm not at all sure that MDA can put claim to such brownie points and it would be interesting to hear your opinion of their software.

Without question Hauptwerk does place high demands on computers. The Organteq software is small and it's the intent of Grand Organ also to get it to run on much lower end computers. This will be helpful for young people getting into organ simulation and certainly the Pianoteq software runs happily on my laptop. In preparation for the Pianoteq software was exceptionally helpful in helping in the decisions of which tuning schemes to use for real instruments.

Best wishes

David P

Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by ILP on February 03, 2020, 10:41:11 PM »

I have no connection with Hauptwerk other than being a long term satisfied user, both at home and with some electronic ranks for the pipe organ in church.

I have to disagree with your comments, especially as the forum continues to offer good support (much of it at present by the software designer), and a well-known independent consultant has been appointed as support manager. There is also a new customer service manager.

Your problem with version 4.1 / 4.2 is easy to solve. If you have a version 4 dongle, you simply download the newer version.

You will know that version 5 is now available, and this is at a cost - as all major version number updates have been. There are a few steps that need to be taken to use certain sample sets  created for previous versions, but these are relatively straightforward. Support has been freely available.

I have tried other organ software, and I have to say that none of it compares in terms of quality of sound and realism.

« Last post by MusoMusing on February 02, 2020, 06:51:45 PM »
A fascinating new book about  the John Compton Organ Co Ltd is now available on CD in pdf format. Over a decade in the writing thereof, it is a full history of the firm, drawn from knowledgable experts and enthusiasts from around the world and turned into a readable history for the first time. It covers most aspects of the Compton company, from the early days, the church organs, the cinema organs, the concert hall organs and the electronic organs. It also includes details of the things they made in addition to pipe and electronic organs, such as Link Trainer Aircraft during WW2, Light consoles for theatres and even space heaters.

The book is initially being sold on e-bay, but there are daily restrictions as to how many can be sold in one day.
For anyone interested, just go to e-bay and search under - Compton Organs.

The first 20 books moved very quickly, so it may be that a bit of persistence is required
Electronic Organs / Re: The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by revtonynewnham on January 31, 2020, 10:04:08 AM »
Hi David

If you get round to trying Grande Orgue I'd be interested in your comments.  I'm intending to try it when I have time - I'm still getting very tired after my recent health issues, and there's a lot of Sue's stuff still to sort out.

Every Blessing

Many have been dismayed by the proclamations of the Church of England about sex in recent weeks.

It was a member here on this forum who helped me to grapple with my faith and belief and finally junk the anthropomorphised analogue of the Creator with the simple statement "God is Love".

There are many who grow up without Love and don't understand it. What is it? Working Together in the widest, deepest, most holistic sense with everyone, every living being, everything, the planet, the universe, circumstances . . . Because Working Together is truly the Creator . . .
  • invisible
  • everywhere
  • all powerful
  • eternal
responsible for creating everything . . .

Three quarks work together to make a proton. Protons and electrons work to make atoms . . . right the way up to biological structures . . . and our organs (forgive the pun) working together to give us the Divine (what is Divine? Working Together) gift of the breath of life. And the breath of life works together as the sound that gives the name which must never be said . . . . Aahay or Aayah . . . . and the understanding of which gives to the heart of the religions in worship of Yahweh and A**ah (ll as in Mallorca, Maiyorca) - the saying of which destroys the sound that they represent and its significance. Thus the second line of the Lord's Prayer.

So what has the Church got to do with pronouncements on sex? Sex is just one way of people working together. Abuse of sex comes through not working together. How people want to enjoy sex in the form of working together not a matter on which religions should pronounce as long as it leads to . . . Working Together.

The recent pronouncement by the Church of England is a prohibition against different ways of different people working together and contrary to "Working Together"

The law of the universe is that stuff that doesn't work together isn't here . . . it either never existed or ceases to exist pretty fast.

If the human race doesn't work together with its planet, then the human race will cease to exist.

Where would you be if your father's sperm had not worked together with your mother's egg.

Where would you be if your organs stopped working together?

Where would you be if your genes didn't work together?

Decisions have to work together to produce an event. If the decisions don't work together, then no event results. So working together is the creator in more than the material world, it is the creator in the time domain too, the domain of process, and leads to the Sea of Circumstances upon which I've written before.

Religions that don't acknowledge Love, Working Together, as the source of creation will cease to exist and those religions which don't work together with other religions are seen for what they are, empty of Working Together.

Unfortunately the Church Of England has fallen to base animal instinct of tribalism, and together with the organs in its churches, will cease to exist.

Best wishes

David P
Electronic Organs / The end of the road for the Hauptwerk monopoly
« Last post by David Pinnegar on January 30, 2020, 01:10:26 PM »
In my opinion the Hauptwerk project and associated sample sets are really important for being able to introduce us to different types and styles of instrument, and repertoire.

But Hauptwerk is . . . well people make criticisms of Hauptwerk that are well known. Not only that but getting any sort of response for a request for help is simply out of the question unless upon a very commercial basis. Goodwill is held for naught.

And then there are creators of sample sets created for version 4.2 which simply don't run on version 4.1. In this category is one of the instruments sampled by Piotr Grabowski as well as all the organs painstakingly sampled in Malta where there is an extraordinary collection of pipe organs both original and of historic importance as well as a number imported, installed, restored and maintained by Robert Buhagiar.

So it's a real pleasure to see two new software projects coming along.

One is Organteq from the makers of Pianoteq. The piano software is really extraordinary and the organ software from the same stable works really well - and it will be a pleasure to see future development of this.

The other is Grand Organ which I haven't had the opportunity of trying yet but looks interesting and created with an ethos of helping and promoting the future of real existing pipe organs.

Andrew Jones designed the software from scratch, he says, following the maths of the appropriate tasks. He writes:

However, this isnít just yet another VPO up for sale.  Our project from the outset was to try and make VPO less threatening and actually help the pipe organs they imitate.  It was also important to us to encourage more young organists by offering it to them for free, and any proceeds that come from the software and sample sets, actually goes back to help protect and maintain the real thing.

Our staff donate their time freely.  The costs of running the company are relatively low, so we are able to pass on more than just token donations to the organ funds.

We also specialise in helping create a new sampled organ, perhaps which may need some help and restoration, and making a digital replica available, to raise funds for that organ.  In most cases we offer this without taking any proportion of the proceeds.  On a case by case basis.

We also like to intervene as early as possible for organs which are otherwise playable but at risk, which can be sampled and at least preserved digitally before they rot.  Again, if we can help stop that organ being at risk, then we will.  We are only limited by how much support we get from the organ community.

In my opinion this is the true spirit of organ enthusiasm and just what the organ world needs.

Best wishes

David P
FOR SALE and WANTED / Paricular stop knob and extension rod wanted
« Last post by kesterlester on January 10, 2020, 07:31:44 PM »
During the recent dismantling of an organ I am working with, one knob and its associated wooden tubular extension rod has gone missing.

The knob (including its inscription ďTRUMPET 8") is identical to another which is still on the organ.  Two pictures of the knob which remains can be seen here and here  .   A shot of the extension rod from which I just unscrewed a knob may be seen here .

The wooden shaft on the knob has a diameter of about 8mm, which is of course the same as the internal diameter of the hole in the push rod to which it connects. The extension rod has an outer diameter of about 16mm or 5/8 inch. I canít yet see how to get one of the existing extension rods out, so I donít know how long an extension rod I need.

I will need both a new knob and a new extension rod, if I can't find the originals.

Does anyone have an exact match for these two parts left over some some other organ project?    I have written to kimberallen to see if I can buy new, but though they have parts that would fit, and which look "similar", I am fairly sure from their catalogue that they do not have exact matches.  The turned profile of their knobs is slightly differently embellished.
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