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#41
While the Tower Ballroom may have been recorded many times, Dixon only produced several hundred 78's, during a period when the Blackpool organ was popular because of austerity and the war years, and as an entertainment media accessible to many.  He also did some 2000 broadcasts from the Tower Ballroom. 

Another organist who had a broadly similar lifespan and was alive over pretty much the same years was George Thalban-Ball, who was organist at the Temple Church for some 60 odd years and produced recordings such as Ernest Lough's famous 'O for the wings of a dove' 78 which was HMV's best selling record for 1927, the year it was released, had to be re-recorded in 1928 because the master wore out, and became EMI' first million selling record in 1962.  Thalban-Ball was also Birmingham City organist and gave over 1000 lunchtime recitals at Birmingham Town Hall, a tradition continued today by Thomas Trotter in his weekly recital programme. 

The BBC concert organ has been heard by millions worldwide, through broadcasts (and recordings).  Many of the programmes while light, were classical.

The BBC Proms are broadcast worldwide, with some 313,000 actual attendees in the 2010 season of 89 concerts.  And this is serious 'classical' music. 

Nine Lessons and Carols from Kings' College Cambridge is broadcast worldwide and has been on the radio since 1928 broadcast to a worldwide audience of millions.

BBC Choral Evensong is broadcast live every week to a wide audience on Radio 3.  When it was axed a few years ago, there was such an uproar that it was reprieved, and when it was moved to Sunday afternoon, and audience figures dropped, it was returned to its usual midweek slot.

I have to ask barniclecompton a question, have you been to any classical organ concerts?  I mean this not to be critical, but to try to show you there is a lot more fantastic music out there than that used in theatre organ circles.  Unfortunately, you come across as narrow minded as many classical organ buffs do about their music.  I'm sure there is a place for all of this, but my experience is, that many, many people have a great experience with classical music on the organ and in other forms.

Jonathan
#42
Quote from: Voix Cynique on July 23, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
I know of one in a United Reformed church in Ipswich too. Jonathan, which church in Surrey was that with the Compton? I know of two large ones, one in Albury PC and one in Richmond-upon-Thames RC, but there may be others.
St Peter's Hersham, http://www.npor.org.uk/cgi-bin/Rsearch.cgi?Fn=Rsearch&rec_index=N13838

Ignore the Brindley and Foster reference, I think it is misleading.  My understanding from local sources was that the Compton was installed straight from the factory.

Jonathan
#43
Has to be Cavaille-Coll organ at St Ouen, Rouen for me.

Jonathan
#44
Quote from: pcnd5584 on July 22, 2011, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: Voix Cynique on July 22, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
.... I recall PCND saying that he'd heard superb Vierne on a cinema organ and I have to say I'd much rather listen to Vierne or orchestral symphonies in transcription - anyone brave enough to take on the Havergal Brian Gothic?  ;D - than 'Oh I do like the be beside the sea-side' and the rest of the sentimental twaddle that seems to be the stock-in-trade of too many theatre organists. For God's sake we want something with some weight and profundity to dig into intellectually, not just to appeal on a totally superficial level!

Not quite. I was referring to an item which I saw on YouTube, in which Ken Cowan was playing (form memory and in a public concert) Healey Willan's monumental Introduction, Passacaglia & Fugue, in E-flat minor. Having said this, I actually only liked it for two reasons: firstly, his performance was excellent - both accurate and thoroughly musical. And secondly - he somehow managed to make whatever Wurlitzer he was using sound like (for want of a more precise description) a cathedral organ. That is, apart from one brief moment in the middle, when it sounded exactly what it was - a theatre organ. Whilst barniclecompton may disagree (which is his privilege), I simply did not like the sound at this point - and cannot see any point in pretending that I did.

The point about the Wurlitzer sounding like a cathedral organ is very interesting.  I used to play, from time to time, a Compton organ in a church in Surrey.  The organ was built for a cinema, but right at the end of the programme of installing cinema organs, and consequently was never installed.  This church bought it, and installed it pretty much as was built, even with the horseshoe console with coloured stop tabs.  The only alteration was the removal of the heavy tremulants.  The resultant sound was amazing, and very cathedral like, in a building which was relatively small with a pretty nondescript acoustic.

Jonathan
#45
Quote from: pcnd5584 on July 22, 2011, 10:52:06 PM

Quote from: comptonplus on July 22, 2011, 09:17:29 PM
... If it is to be a TV Documentary, the man in the street will see Church/Classical organ and turn off immediately, but if you see a man in a white suit popping up out of the floor, I think it's more likely he will leave the TV on, even if for a split second to laugh at it! :-)

In fact, this was apparently not the case with either The King of Instruments (featuring Gillian Weir) or Howard Goodall's Organ Works.


There must be some popularity for such programmes, as Priory have now released The King of Instruments on DVD.  Sadly the Howard Goodall Organ Works series do not look like being released in a similar manner, I asked the production company a few years ago, but they said no.  However, if lots of people ask, they may change their mind.

Organ Works was excellent, not only for its content (I particularly liked the Spanish episode), but also for its presenter, Howard engages everyone, whatever age, and convinces them they like whatever he is talking about!

Jonathan
#46
Quote from: Voix Cynique on July 22, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
At the opening of the HNB/Schantz at Melbourne Town Hall by Thomas Heywood, the hall was packed to its 2200ish capacity, with a further 650-odd having to be turned away. That's how popular it was. An awful lot of people I know listen to and watch the Proms - one of them is a proper Saf Lunnun-spoken builder, shaven-headed, five feet wide by seven feet tall and with an accent you could cut through stone with, but nevertheless he watched the entirety of the 1st Night on the television - when a completely ornery builder is raving about Janacek's Glagolitic Mass, you know you're getting somewhere. He has now vowed one way or another to catch every Prom in the season, on the TV, radio and listening back on the iPlayer and is talking about buying tickets for a few next year, bringing his son and wife, even his mates and colleagues (who, as it is, are given regular updates on his meteoric progress on the piano and are often made to listen to him playing in exchange for beers and curries). Just goes to show that dumbing down to appeal to the masses can often backfire.

This is so heartening, and great to see people do respond when dumbing down is avoided!  The thing I see time and again, with children and adults, is that they appreciate good music and reject poor music, in whatever style or genre.

Jonathan
#47
I wouldn't want to say that either classical organ or theatre organ are good or bad, or one is better than the other.  I still like cinema organs, and listen occasionally.  I grew up listening to a lot of this music.  However, my preferred option is classical organ, and feel the theatre/cinema organ has a very limited audience compared to say The Proms (perhaps even the organ based Proms).  I think they all have their place and time.  Watching David Briggs improvising to silent films is a delight, but I suspect some would find it too heavy!

Jonathan
#48
I think Jeremy, at the rate things are coming up on eBay, it will only be a matter of time before you find exactly what you need!

Best wishes,

Jonathan
#49
Hmmmm.... Clearly when we have time we need to translate our website into Chinese, and perhaps Japanese, French, Italian, German, Arabic, the list goes on!

Jonathan
#50
I was recently handed an obituary from The Times (not a paper I read!) of (Richard) David Pawlyn who was an organ builder who specialised in Cinema and Theatre organ work.  It seems to have gone largely unnoticed despite the rather significant amount of space it took up in The Times.

http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/community/announcements/in-memoriam/richard_david_pawlyn_obituary_1_2837138

http://www.cinema-organs.org.uk/news/news.html

Jonathan
#51
It is interesting that the price of organs listed on eBay keeps going up, but the amount people are prepared to pay for them remains the same.  We rarely pay much if anything.  I think the most we have paid was £500 and that is because we wanted the movable console! We often don't pay anything.

Jonathan
#52
I thought the whole idea of internet forums was to discuss things whilst saving on paper.  One must wonder how many trees it will take to print the whole thing!

Jonathan
#53
I have seen God work through other people and directly time and time again.  Friends are excellent, and help time and again, but as Tony says, this life is only part 1, and for myself, I can't wait to see what part 2 is like!  Not that I'm in any hurry to leave part 1!!

Jonathan
#54
Quote from: barniclecompton on July 21, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
Ive said his name on here before, but it seems to have been dismissed.
an organ can be making people happy, making people cry-making people dance, making people sing, making people clap, making people be lost in the magic of a film, making people laugh.
Imitating an orchestra, a band, a train, a bird, a car, a boat, a marching band, a whistle, a flute, a clarinet, an oboe, a swarm of violins, a fanfare of trumpets, a choir, a piano, a ship yard, animals, a cathedral organ, a fair organ, ....the list goes on.
And a glimpse of heaven!

Jonathan
#55
Quote from: barniclecompton on July 21, 2011, 05:19:35 PM

Hugh Potton playing Reubke is capable of having touched the soul as is demonstrated by the comment on YouTube of the video of him having done so, and it is in the organ to touch the soul that makes the instrument of even greater value.

Best wishes

David P

If you can make 50-1000 or more people clap along, sing along, enjoy the music and walk out at the end of the concert/dance/show  happy, then you have touched peoples souls. There is one member on this site who does this on a DAILY basis.
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I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, because that, in my opinion, is not touching the soul.  I would rather touch the soul of one person, which happened recently when I played Jongen 'Chant de Mai' during communion, than entertain a thousand.

Best wishes,

Jonathan
#56
Quote from: barniclecompton on July 21, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: Jonathan Lane on July 21, 2011, 04:48:52 PM
I think it will be, have you heard him play?

Jonathan
Just watched some on youtube. Good n all that, but....its still the same. They will turn off. It IS too high brow.
I think from what Ive seen here, most people in the group are abit out of touch with the general public.

My question stands, and is even more strongly put when you look at Keith's discography: http://www.keithhearnshaw.co.uk/discography.htm

Jonathan
#57
Quote from: barniclecompton on July 21, 2011, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: Jonathan Lane on July 21, 2011, 04:48:52 PM

I think from what Ive seen here, most people in the group are abit out of touch with the general public.

But, as my last post said, what is the point of an organ forum but to promote the organ.  Would you expect the RSC to do Eastenders?

Jonathan
#58
The question has to be asked, are we attempting to get them to see the organ and organists or something completely different.  If it is different, so be it, but my work has always been to promote the pipe organ and organists, and in doing so, ensuring more people actually hear how fun, even the conventional, organ is!

Jonathan
#59
I think it will be, have you heard him play?

Jonathan
#60
Links below as requested.  Barrie is right to say that leather buttons are cheap, but they tend to come in bags of 1000. Price in the 2010 K-A price list was £76 + VAT (I don't have the current one with me, its paper and in the workshop!)  When you start to add these up with new tracker wires, felt, and other so called consumables you quickly get into the £1000's brackets.  That assumes of course there are not major issues with soundboards and bellows needing releathering, etc.  However, I agree with the sentiment, and we hope, at some point in the future to run training courses and information courses, when of course, the business has grown sufficiently.

Links to sites.

http://ottoheuss.de/en_produkte_index.htm

http://www.laukhuff.de/

http://www.kimberallen.8m.net/

for electrical parts, the best UK firm is AJ&L Taylor: http://www.ajltaylor.co.uk/

Jonathan