Farm culture for the jungle - saved by teaching the organ

[David Pinnegar]

Hi!

The Times this morning reports that some seven or nine schools in the Solent area have been routinely administering contrceptive implants into girls of the age of 13 and in the case coming to light in the press, without parent's consent.

THe matter of parent's consent is irrelevant to the fact that boys and girls of that age should, at school and at home, have more going on in their lives than merely going fucking. In such neglect of their minds, and wiithout a culture of seeing the path of bringing order into their lives out of the disorder around them ( I hope that after many posts on this subject even visitors to this forum might quickly understand to what I am referring here) such children are being treated as farm animals created only for the purpose of biological reproduction at the prime stage and subsequent consumption.

If school treat children as animals then our future generation can expect to live life in the jungle and controlled by armed police, herded and kept as pets or robots by apes.

Not only does an understanding of that strange force that creates order out of disorder bring understanding and purpose to life, but playing the piano - not the keyboard - but the organ too devlops thinking in multichannel paths in the brain. Certainly at that sort of age in the course of practice on the organ, I will not have been unique in finding that the concentration required was so great as to blank the mind of any superfuous thoughts, to rest the mind from worries and cares of the world.

Restoring the teachings of Christ to active teaching status in schools must be a priority and teaching music needs to replace teaching fucking as being the useful things to do in one's life. Finding a life path and putting it in order - such as getting a wedding ring on one's finger before begatting would start to set up civilisation in the next generation out of the jungle we see in this.

For a long time I have wanted to set up a significantly useful touring organ which could be trailered into places where no organ exists, particulrly schools, together with funding for good organists to have their shopping bills paid if spending the time coming around with such an instrument into schools. Funding this is hard.

Similarly, a number on this forum are inent on rescuing the four manual electronic instrument coming out of Lancaster Priory but as yet we have no idea of its destination. Does anyone know of a school who would appreciate and cherish it as a tecahing facility?

Contraceptive implants administered by schools are demolishing civilisation just as much a bulldozers destroy organs and chapels. I hope that members and other readers of this forum are equally angered and disgusted enough to start moving mindsets.

I hope also that even atheists might start to see that agnosticism can really only be applied to the concept of the Big Daddy in the Sky and therefore that there really is a purpose in acknowledging that strange force that brings order out of disorder and that failing to do so brings forth the sort of aimlessness that we see promoted through the absence of such understandings and that theism, therefore, deserves a reappraisal.

Best wishes

David P

[AnOrganCornucopia]

I think we must be careful about proscribing pre-marital sexual relations, and about making the distinction between mere animal sex and something more profound. For instance, two friends of mine from college I know to be sexually active together. They have been since the age of 16. However, there can be no doubt that they are very much in love and entirely committed to each other, despite what is now - thanks to university - a 200+ mile separation. There are also married people who are extremely promiscuous and FAR less committed and loving than my friends.

Frankly, while I support neither promiscuity nor the use of contraceptives, I would rather, if forced to accept the inevitable, know that my son/daughter was at least not catching diseases or bringing about an unwanted pregnancy (particularly if it resulted in abortion). One of my teenage friends was told by a school contemporary that she would die a virgin because she was so ugly: this girl, who was actually passably pretty but entirely lacking self-esteem, then proceeded to screw her way through half the gene pool and eventually picked up herpes in an Ibiza nightclub. Thankfully, she has now escaped what she now admits was an addiction to sex, has banished the herpes (as far as it can be) and is now in a stable, committed relationship.

What I cannot agree is that, in providing advice on contraceptions, schools are actively educating teenagers in and condoning sexual promiscuity. There is a depressing inevitability that many do not make it even so far as the legal age of consent with their virginity intact. If we do not wish to see a pandemic of venereal diseases (particularly the dreaded HIV), we must take steps to prevent it: expecting a cultural sea-change in attitude towards sex is hopelessly idealistic and rather illiberal (if you consider that a bad thing).

While I accept that there is something rather appealing about the idealistic vision of a virgin bride and groom at the wedding, it's not a realistic prospect any more, you can't change human nature - and imagine the misery of being committed for life to someone when one of you simply cannot satisfy the other's needs. As far back as the fourteenth century, it was said that the famous twisted spire of Chesterfield P.C. had twisted thus when it had seen its last virgin bride and would not straighten again until it saw another...

Oh, and if you think teaching the organ is going to save people from such, think again - I recall reading in one national newspaper a few years ago that one Oxford (was it CC?) organ scholar had managed to wear out three beds in his three years at Oxford, so fabulously did he get on with the young ladies of the choir. I even had it from one of the highest, now sadly deceased, authorities that an Oxford don (or was it an organ teacher?) had been sacked for screwing a young lady student (I think an organ scholar) on the bench of the organ in the chapel of one noted Oxford college!

As for me? If it is considered relevant to this discussion, my attitude is simple: that I feel no need to abide by others' restrictions, but that I will not enter into sexual relations until in a committed relationship founded on a deep, mutual love. I have had to endure the bragging of various friends about how many girls they've bedded and such animal behaviour holds no appeal for me. I shall probably die a virgin! Certainly, I wouldn't have touched any of the girls who have so far offered to touch me, so to speak...

[David Pinnegar]

Um . . . well that onslaught was targeted well to shoot my thesis down in flames, wasn't it!?

Our member Contrabombarde on this forum does have direct professional experience in his work on medical statistics in the Birmingham area.

The scenario of contraceptives being prescribed to pubescents and that of the organ scholar on the point of adulthood is clearly distinguishable.

However, we have now come through two generations since the introduction of "the pill" and the effects, enabling the young man you quote to behave in such a manner, have demonstrated themselves in a complete disorder of families through sexual promiscuities.

The other evening I was discussing serious matters with the wife of a friend and commenting upon the effects of sex before love to which she replied "But sex is a good way of meeting people" . . .

The reality is that sex before love is merely selfish sensual gratification and is tantamount to treating the other party mutually engaging in such an activity as an object, a sex object. Upon the availability of sex objects even in high street shops nowadays, really there is no room for consideration of other living human beings as objects.

Idle minds at the age of 13 need contraceptives . . . That is a reflection upon the paucity of educational, parental and wider inspirations.

Organs, music and indeed priests as community figures usefully could have a higher profile in society.

Best wishes

David P

[AnOrganCornucopia]

I was not intending to shoot you down in flames, merely to take issue with a few of your points, one being that teaching people the organ will dissuade them from casual sex. An onslaught it was most certainly not designed to be: if it seemed so aggressive, I do apologise. I apologise also for the length of this post: I hope that the moderators will agree that it was at least mostly worth it.

I quite agree that putting 13-year-old girls on the Pill is asking for trouble - and I don't believe that the side-effects of the Pill (long or short-term) are yet fully known, or if they are they're being kept hushed up. I've heard all sorts of things about the effect of oestrogen from the Pill getting into our water system... Which young man have I quoted? Do you mean my (female) friend who sought so desperately to prove her nemesis wrong? Or do you mean the organ scholar to whom I referred?

As for sex being a good way of meeting people, I wouldn't want to try to find lasting friendship - let alone love or romance - through casual sex... When you say that "The reality is that sex before love is merely selfish sensual gratification and is tantamount to treating the other party mutually engaging in such an activity as a sex object", I simply cannot agree more. My male friend (whose long-term girlfriend is also a close friend of mine) says in any case that he feels that the selfish, sensual aspect is heightened immensely by the aspect of love, that without it, sex would be just an unsatisfying physical ritual. I can well believe him. Do not doubt that there are some sexually active teenagers for whom love is the most crucial part of a relationship - in this case, I know that the couple in question plan to marry as soon as they have graduated from university and can afford so to do.

You refer also to certain high street shops. Considering how widespread these are, and that one can find perfectly salubrious reading material (such as my favoured car, aviation, railway and political satire magazines) upon the top shelf rather close to much less salubrious material, plus lads' mags and certain car/motorbike magazines, within easy reach of an 11-year-old, full of topless/naked women (often lacking the opaque covers to obscure explicit cover images which surely ought to be mandated by law), one wonders whatever happened to "Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil"!

What I think can be true is that pursuing a very specialised interest can enhance the chances of finding a suitable partner in life and love, as opposed to someone about whom one might ask - whether the night after or days, weeks or even months after - "what on Earth was I thinking?". In that respect I can only agree that trying to get people interested in music is a good thing. This matter, in more general terms, is addressed by a columnist in the new BBC Music Magazine which arrived in this morning's post - said columnist being Richard Morrison, organist and chief music critic for the Times - in which he looks at the very recent foundation of a new National Youth Orchestra in the USA (no such organisation having existed previously), clearly in response to the Simón Bolívar Youth Orchestra from Venezuela, where El Sistema - basically state-funded musical education for 250,000 mostly economically-deprived children, with the SBYO being the most prestigious of 125(!) youth orchestras, 31 of them large symphony orchestras, plus another 55 orchestras for particularly young children - has not only elevated this very Leftist state into the artistic superleague but also wrought absolute miracles in a social context: Drug use and crime rates have plummeted, education and health are better than ever and continuing to improve. Copycat projects have sprung up all over the world (with a number of pilot schemes running here in the UK). Now, the USA, conscious that it is losing face against its increasingly powerful Marxist nemesis, is founding its own project. Said orchestra already has its first tour - with Valery Gergiev - booked for summer 2013! They must be confident of getting the cream of well-trained players from state-level youth orchestras...

With regard to El Sistema, the following makes for VERY interesting reading:

On 6 June 2007, the Inter-American Development Bank announced the granting of a US$150 million loan for the construction of seven regional centers of El Sistema throughout Venezuela. Many bankers within the IDB originally objected to the loan on the grounds that classical music is for the elite. In fact, the bank has conducted studies on the more than two million young people who have been educated in El Sistema which link participation in the program to improvements in school attendance and declines in juvenile delinquency. Weighing such benefits as a falloff in school drop-out rates and a decline in crime, the bank calculated that every dollar invested in El Sistema was reaping about $1.68 in social dividends. Supported by the government, El Sistema has started to introduce its music program into the public-school curriculum, aiming to be in every school and to support 500,000 children by 2015.

The project has been extended to the penal system. On 25 May 2008, Leidys Asuaje wrote for Venezuelan daily El Nacional: "The plan to humanize jails through music began eleven months ago under the tutelage of the Ministry of the Interior and Justice and FESNOJIV...."

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So, even if you don't necessarily LIKE classical music, you can still profit from it! Would we have had the 2011 summer riots across the UK if we'd had El Sistema in place nationwide for a decade or more? Come on, Cameron et al - shed your fear of being seen as elitist, present the profit statistics to your critics and use our truly excellent National Youth Orchestra and our world-class network of concert venues as the centrepiece for a nationwide roll-out of El Sistema!

[David Pinnegar]

I was not intending to shoot you down in flames, merely to . . . .

. . . to get people interested in music is a good thing. This matter, in more general terms, is addressed by a columnist in the new BBC Music Magazine which arrived in this morning's post - said columnist being Richard Morrison, organist and chief music critic for the Times - in which he looks at the very recent foundation of a new National Youth Orchestra in the USA (no such organisation having existed previously), clearly in response to the Simón Bolívar Youth Orchestra from Venezuela, where El Sistema - basically state-funded musical education for 250,000 mostly economically-deprived children, with the SBYO being the most prestigious of 125(!) youth orchestras, 31 of them large symphony orchestras, plus another 55 orchestras for particularly young children - has not only elevated this very Leftist state into the artistic superleague but also wrought absolute miracles in a social context: Drug use and crime rates have plummeted, education and health are better than ever and continuing to improve. . . .

Dear AOC

Thank you for a most interesting post and taking the time to quote some particularly relevant information.

Of course I was teasing in referring to your former post shooting me down in flames - there are many, perhaps, who think the posting should have been or otherwise they might have commented positively . . . but I was brought up to carry the courage of my convictions, which is why from time to time, I'm happy to post subject matter which I know many will dislike but needs voicing nevertheless. Challenges to such subject matter focus the mind and refine thoughts.

As I mentioned, Contrabombarde on this forum has had direct experience and repetition of such results in other parts of the world demonstrates that music teaching generally, and orchestras in particular, have more of an important part to play in society than has been appreciated in this country to date and focussing upon them brings benefits way beyond their cost.

One hopes that this thread, and perhaps others on this forum, might reach a wider audience.

Best wishes

David P