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Organ concerts / Re: FUTUR CONCERTS of ERIC DALEST
« on: April 27, 2010, 11:57:18 AM »
Dear Eric

BRILLIANT - thanks. It's wonderful to have a glimpse of enthusiasms here. Perhaps on each concert you might announce it a fortnight beforehand, tell people what you are playing (and why etc etc) and perhaps tell them a bit about the organ that you're playing on each occasion and what you love about it. In the course of time, this will feed the fires of enthusiasm. We have to show to people who have not been to an organ recital before the sort of excitement that they are missing out on . . .

With concerts in France, Spain, Italy or Germany, please do write in French, Spanish, Italian or German.

Encouraging people to come to organ recitals has to be a really wide cultural thing that has to cross the bounds of languages, of which English is not universal, and nationalities.

I have a client
http://www.initaly.co.uk/rome/fiuggi.accommodation.apartment.montecassino/
with whom I was discussing their "Unique Selling Point" of encouraging people to stay in Fiuggi, comparing it with Rieti where the organ there is causing hotels to be filled, and my client said that there are a number of cathedrals locally with superb organs but that audience levels had dropped to the point where good organists refused to go there.

So really without setting alight the fires of the boilers of enthusiasm, the King of Instruments will lose wind.

Best wishes

David P

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Organ concerts / Re: FUTUR CONCERTS of ERIC DALEST
« on: April 26, 2010, 08:10:47 PM »
Dear Eric

Brilliant - thanks for posting here . . . But please could you tell us what programme you are playing where, and why you LOVE what you are proposing to play and why you are so enthusiastic to play that programme on the organ at the venue you have chosen to play at?

Best wishes

David P

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Atheists' Corner / Re: God is not big daddy
« on: April 26, 2010, 08:07:31 PM »
Hi!

It turns out that Plato, around 23 centuries ago, was "on to something" in modern physics. The 3 dimensional solidity that we experience is, according to modern physics, an illusory 3 dimensional shadow of 6 dimensional space. Our 3 dimensional solidity has an existence in each of the other 3 dimensions which we cannot see. It's these that we turn our heads around to see but can't quite glimpse, the realms in which the "godworld" inhabits, invisible, everywhere and all powerful, having an influence in the realm in which we live.

Plato described it as us being entrapped in a cave where all we could experience of the outside was that of the shadows on the walls of the figures in the outside world, and our understanding of the reality being unable to surpass the mere shadows as our reality.

The teaching of religions is that when one cooperates with the gracious forces that form the cosmos, the force flows through you in such a way that you may become conscious of it and you can work as part of it and with it. It's a state of being, a state in harmony with all the universal laws of all creation and this extends to our relationships with other people.

Before Christ, love was familial, tribal. It was simply a power-unit, the protection provided by which enabled groups to cooperate internally and to thrive. But after Christ, the cooperation with the harmony of natural laws enabled the injunction to "love God" and to "love your neighbour as yourself", extending cooperation to enable individuals to rise above the bounds of mere blood-ties.

Hope this makes a little sense . . .

Best wishes

David P

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Electronic Organ Constructors' Society
http://www.eocs.org.uk

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Miscellaneous & Suggestions / Re: Stumbled onto...
« on: April 26, 2010, 07:15:44 PM »
I did spot a thread describing the difficulty of finding a home for what amounts to a monster of an analog electronic organ, which had been made redundant by a Real Pipe Organ 8) 8) 8)

Dear Eric

This is one of the real reasons behind this forum. "Proper" use of electronics is that of temporary installations for particular purposes and also potentially tonal research, in addition of course to home practice. And as such I consider that some degree of electronic discussion can be valid and useful . . . and threads such as this which can draw attention to the follies of those who mistakenly think that electronics can provide a permanent solution, I regard as very valuable to the survival of pipe organs. However, elsewhere, electronic discussion is wholly prohibited and I was censored in rather a surprising place for having castigated the decision to replace the pipe organ at Holy Trinity Wall Street by a digital. I said that "digital stops are cheap" and this upset a number of people. But it's true! Computer sampling the noise of a rank of pipes must be cheaper than making a set of pipes . . . unless of course it's a case of the Emperor's New Clothes . . . I think that many gizmo manufacturers rely on a certain mystique to really push their prices up. In my collection of vinyl LPs, I've got one which was clearly a marketing gimmic by a well known firm about organ voicing . . . It's nothing to do with voicing except in pointing out the difference perhaps between a Bourdon and a Flute, and perhaps for fun auditioning it should be on the agenda of the EOCS http://www.eocs.org.uk

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Some stuff in the thread about "not being able to get parts", etc... ;D ;D ;D


Even some nice low noise basic op-amps are now getting hard to find and as software driven computers take over, hard wired chips have long been fried.

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After filtering out some of the "noise" over there...
methinks the "church world" is finding out the expensive way that where there is space for the "real thing" in the long run it will end up being less expensive and more enjoyable than something that "sounds like"...  What the gizmo sellers aren't telling church congregations is the service life of the electronic can never approach that of a pipe organ >:(   

My leviathan that I use at Hammerwood Park, for the purpose of putting the King of Instruments on the concert platform specifically to demonstrate the King of Instruments in a way that a nice 11 rank instrument really can't for the purposes of that sort of concert, is great fun, requires the intellect of a 747 pilot to fly and challenges even the best of organists not to crash, has so many wires which can easily become disconnected, buttons pressed inadvertantly, memories to set that it really does require a flight-check procedure before every trip up the runway. Sometimes for no apparent reason a stop on the Choir goes on holiday, although as it is near duplicated by one of 170 or so more stops it's not a great worry, and reed switches on the pedals are not as permanently reliable as the proponents of modern technology would like you to think they are . . .

But it's exciting and versatile, and hopefully inspirational
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9usBggyS5Nk although  :-[  :'( it will never match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPGDiA3fidA or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSf7-4t_SWc


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One of the few places a "large" electronic has an advantage over "pipe" is, depending on how its configured, is transportability...
;D You must be joking! 30 channels of amps and speakers . . . All those wires to connect up at a new venue!? No way! When I first bought the ex LondonDerry Cathedral instrument, I thought it would be transportable so that I could hire it out - but even lumping a dozen channels of speakers from one end of the house to the other and getting the wiring right was a marathon.

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such an instrument on hand, venues typically employed by traveling musical acts
such as rock bands that want to do "something completely different". But for now they will have to suffer along with looped samples playing into stacks of speakers ;)
;D And unless they are top notch physicist designed speakers, it will still sound like an organ through a hi-fi system. I heard Carlo Curley playing a state of the art  commercial instrument (not his usual brand) at a church near Eastbourne in Sussex. Terrible speakers, poor installation, and I would have rather stayed at home and listened to my hi-fi system playing one of my live recordings . . . and the single manual pipe organ at the church knocked the digital electronic sideways.

Best wishes

David P

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Electronic Organs / Re: MIDI INTERFACE USB FOR 37 STOPS REAL HAUPTWERK
« on: April 25, 2010, 10:43:38 PM »
Dear Eric

THanks for posting details of these - brilliant. It's quite difficult to interface real drawstops so your solution is brilliant.

By the way, I do hope that you'll put details of your concerts here on the concert announcement section and tell everyone why you are performing whatever programme you are, why you love it, and why you have chosen the venue/instrument.

We'd love to see you in England sometime! . . .

Best wishes

David P

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Dear Eric

Below is a brilliant solution  . . . lightweight and non-valuable materials immune to vandalisation for the value of the metal. Unfortunately some time ago I lost the contact details of the man who made this home instrument and the church instrument for a church, I believe, in the Czech Republic. He used standard drain pipes and all sorts of other domestic materials.





Best wishes

David P

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Harpsichords / Re: I want one
« on: April 24, 2010, 10:33:31 PM »
well I checked ebay today and the only one I found was a Digital one !
which is fine unless you get a fault with the electronics and find you can't get spares ......
of course acoustic instruments don't have the same problem with spares.
( different ones maybe I guess ! )

Hi!

Well, it's not the only thing wrong with digital harpsichords. First, the touch is far from the same and is so much part of the playing of the instrument and secondly, it's a sterilised sound. In the past weeks a pop group have been recording at Hammerwood and have been using real instruments . . . and the real harpsichord sounds SO much more ALIVE than the electronic substitutes.

Best wishes

David P

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Hi!

A friend on this forum rang me up the other day asking about how our Godson had fared at a Special Educational Needs and Disability Tribunal with regard to his former school on the south coast of England which blazens the labels of Christianity from its rooftops. When he was diagnosed with epilepsy, the school made life difficult for him and another school found a place for him at a very difficult time.

At the Disability Tribunal Barrister and Labour Party Parliamentary Candidate John McKendrick http://www.johnmckendrick.com/ argued to the last that our Godson's epilepsy was not a disability. Our Godson had on one occasion fallen off his bicycle only to regain consciousness to find that a passing motorist had stopped to see whether he was OK.

The Tribunal found for our Godson that the school had discriminated against him.

It's so sad that a so called Christian School and its legal advisors and representatives don't heed the Christian texts including Mark chapter 9 in which the symptoms of epilepsy are clearly  documented as a disability.

Just because a so called Christian organisation doesn't abide by the practices and teachings of the religion it is said to follow does not rubbish the religion nor be sufficient cause for atheists to excuse themselves from investigation of its teachings . . .

Best wishes

David P

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Dear Eric

When I first saw this topic, to be honest, I thought that you were completely mad. But that is the mark of genius and in discussion it's becoming apparent that this is not at all such a daft idea. If people tell you you are mad, then certainly it means that you have had ideas for which others have not had the imagination . . . and thereby is the key to a headlong start to commercial success.

I have been working similarly on compressing outrageous loudspeaker designs into a small space and lightweight materials for use with Hauptwerk travelling chamber organs - but your thoughts could certainly lead to doing something with real moving air.

Modern laser cutting means that one could certainly manufacture a series of slices which when put together would make possible a complex internal structure. Alternatively perhaps one might work out the size of a giant ocarina . . .

However, whether one likes it or not, an organ of this scale would have to be carted around  by a couple of lorries and powered by significant tens of kilowatts of blowers . . . which must make the concept of portability slightly limited . . . ?

Best wishes

David P

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Electronic Organs / Ahlborn 202 unit for sale on eBay
« on: April 16, 2010, 03:25:00 PM »
Hi!

If anyone sees Ahlborn units for sale on ebay.de, ebay.nl, ebay.it, ebay.fr etc it would be so helpful if they could put a link here as the ebay sites have concrete walls between them at times . . .

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180492832862 is a 202 unit. Good 16ft and 32ft reeds on pedal, a good 8ft Diapason, a Quintadena 8 which introduces the 12th for a chorus, a useful Tierce and Larigot, useful Bourdon, an excellent Corno di Bassetto which through the right speaker sounds as a very effective Cromorne, mixture, Chimes - effective and fun if judiciously used
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9usBggyS5Nk
a useful Trompette (possibly a bit thin) and Tuba Mirabilis, both of which need the right speakers and, particularly interestingly a Septieme which gives good bite to things . . .

This was the specific unit that I chose first for the fourth manual of my organ enlargement, specifically for the quality of the Diapason, but used now particularly for the Cromorne and Tierce.

These units were intended also to extend pipe organs and have facilities for a temperature compensation module to be installed to keep it in tune.

Best wishes

David P

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