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H J Nelson 1921
East Stanley Methodist Church
Chester Road DH9 0TU
Grid ref: NZ204531
NPOR G01406
Tracker/Mechanical action
Width: c.13 ft
Depth: c.6 ft 8 ins
Height: c.16 ft
Approximate sizes
Front to back wall = 80"
Height above center peak = 105"
Width of peak (lefthand side) = 29.5"
Width of peak (righthand side) = 30.5"
Floor to base of peaks = 89"
Footwell = 105" Wide x 36" High x 15.5" Depth
Keyboard window = 48" Wide x 33 " High
Each side from keyboard window to outer edge = 25.5"
Organ stool = 53" Long x 30" High x 10" Wide
The Church is closed and the organ is immediately available.
Department and Stop list
Pedal Key action Tr  Stop action Me  Compass-low C  Compass-high f1  Keys 30
             1 Bourdon 16
             2 Bass Flute 8
Great Key action Tr  Stop action Me  Compass-low C  Compass-high a3  Keys 58
             3 Open Diapason 8
             4 Hohl Flute 8
             5 Dulciana 8
             6 Principal 4
             7 Gedact Flute 4

Swell Key action Tr  Stop action Me  Compass-low C  Compass-high a3  Keys 58
             8 Lieblich Gedact 8
             9 Voix Celeste 8
             10 Viol D'Orchestre 8
             11 Gemshorn 4
             12 Oboe 8
             13 Tremulant
Console type  Attached   Stop type  Drawstop   Pedalboard  Radiating Concave  
Swell to Pedal
Swell to Great
Swell octave
Great to Pedal
The buyer is responsible for removal.
All enquiries to the contact below please.
Church Contact:
Mr Cyril Robinson
Woodlands,  3 Park Close,  Annfield Plain,  Stanley,   Co Durham,  DH9 7UW
Tel. 01207 234215

I'm wondering if with the new figures showing the dead end of the Church of England with so few children attending church that the organ is now finally a dinosaur . . . ?

Best wishes

David P

I'm wondering how many people have enthusiasm having built their own organs fir home?

Sometimes I hear of people talking about having a spare rank of pipes or a soundboard or two. . . And wonder the extent of home enthusiasms for pipe organs? And how many have built or are building a software virtual organ?

Best wishes

David P

Organ Builders / Awe inspiring video about the Rufatti works in Italy
« on: August 10, 2017, 01:33:56 PM »
A friend directed me to

Best wishes

David P

I'm wondering if the drop-off of interest in organs, expressed in this forum and according to others in Organ groups on Facebook, and the lack of response to Martin Renshaw's call to action is indicative of something else.

When I was growing up, church services rarely touched on the Acts of the Apostles, and focussed more upon Jesus' teachings about God. It was murmured that the Acts of the Apostles were in some way troublesome and not talked about much. Likewise much of the Epistles.

Now wherever I look the Church seems to focus upon the Church and its supremacy and upon worship of its teacher, rather than upon worship of God.

To those not involved in Charismatic nor Evangelical movements I wonder if that is seen by most, and rejected, for what it is.

It is no surprise therefore that demand for organs in Churches in worship of God is declining with the passing of those generations whose focus was upon God rather than the Teacher.

Best wishes

David P

Unwanted organs – what is their future?

So for these reasons and many more, organs are increasingly finding themselves ‘unwanted’. Everyone ‘in the business’ knows about this but must the present decline continue ? Are the systems that exist to advise on organs, set up when organs were not only ‘wanted’ but seen as normal and good in themselves still really capable of protecting them in the new situation we are in ?

The second reason for calling a conference has been the experience of surveying over 800 medieval churches since 2012 for a research project under the general title of ‘soundsmedieval’. While doing this work, to look for – and find – the surviving physical infrastructure of extensive daily musical activity in medieval churches, we met many people who are responsible for their upkeep. They see their congregations diminish every year, but are determined to try to keep their churches open. We did see and hear some well-loved and cared-for organs, but we also saw instruments, some very good ones, that were not used, and we were often told that finding an organist had become a serious problem. It was clear that maintaining these instruments was a cost whose position in the order of priorities in overstretched budgets was slipping or even non-existent.

Meanwhile, the Church of England has commissioned a number of reports in recent years which show that in most places further decline seems to be inevitable. Last year the Department of Culture, Media and Sport launched an enquiry-review into the Sustainability of Churches. This asked if local communities - whether they attend their local Church of England church or not – might have a ‘responsibility’ for the preservation or upkeep of church buildings. It also asked for suggestions over what churches need to offer in order to be attractive as venues for wider events and ventures. The results of this review, which closed for submissions early this year, were originally supposed to be reported by the receiving committee before Easter, then by early July, but now are due to be revealed ‘in the autumn’. By all accounts, the DCMS was overwhelmed with ideas and reactions.

For organs, though, unless a well-thought- out new approach to the problem is found, the picture could be bleak. One recent suggestion has been to designate many rural churches as ‘festival churches’. This sounds good until you realise that this means they will not be used for worship more than a few times a year, just at major festivals or for funerals. No doubt many churches in small or remote communities may go that way, but it doesn’t need much imagination to see that organs in such places will deteriorate to the extent that they cannot be rescued at affordable cost. To ask an organ to perform perfectly after a long silence is obviously unreasonable, as it would also be to ask an organist to play an organ which might inevitably have become unreliable. If churches themselves become community assets, will the maintenace of organs be shouldered by the community as well, unless they see that it has a useful cultural or educational role ?

So a conference that will consider these things does seem like a necessary and timely idea.,2162.msg9849/

Contact : Martin Renshaw
email :

Theme :
Unwanted Organs - what is their future ?

Venue : St Stephen’s church, Rosslyn Hill, Hampstead, 5 minutes’ walk from
either Belsize Park Underground station (Northern Line, Edgware branch) or
from Hampstead Heath Overground station (Richmond-Stratford section)

Date : Saturday 23 September 2017, doors open at 10 a.m.

Aims of conference :

- To see what systems are currently in place in the various ‘exempt
denominations’ to safeguard organs, and how well these systems are

- To share good and bad experiences,
- and to see if, in the new era of Sustainability, organs can be better protected.

- To discuss how they might be maintained in playing condition
- and to see how they might be used more widely for cultural purposes and teaching.

- To explore what might be done with good organs that need to be moved – do they really have to go abroad ? What organs need to be kept in the UK ‘at all costs’, and what systems are in place to achieve this aim ?

Chair : Peter Burman

Special guest : Judith Weir

Composer-in- residence : David Loxley-Blount ; a new piece by him will be premièred

Organ players : Timothy Roberts, Paul Nicholson

Films about ‘unwanted organs’ specially made by James Dawson

There is no charge for the conference, but conference registration and tickets for the ‘Pipes and Strings’ concert will need to be booked via the link on the web-site. (See below for more details.)

Proposed programme for the day :

Open 10 am ;  tea & coffee

1st session starts at 10.30 with introductions from the Chair and Martin Renshaw. We then will hear up to 8 representatives, including those from the five English exempt denominations, the Churches ConservationTrust and the

Church Commissioners. They will speak about their advisory systems and their engagement with the safeguarding of organs for about 10 minutes each.

Lunch from 1 – 2.30 (sandwiches, soup, cake, fruit, tea/coffee) with live music and films, posters, power point shows etc

2nd session 2.30 – 4 : round-table and open discussion : Where do we go from here ?  How can systems be improved and will denominations work together ? What impact will there be from ‘sustainability’ issues?

4-4.30 : tea and entry of those coming just for the concert

4.30-6 : ‘Pipes and Strings’ : a concert to include music by Purcell and Bach, with organ concertos by Mozart, John Stanley, JohnWorgan and others, and the première of a new composition by David Loxley-Blount.

Organ player : Tim Roberts

String players : Conor James Gricmanis, James Orrell, Hatty Haynes and Bill Hunt

Organs : formerly unwanted organs of 1750, c1790 and 1829

The concert ticket will include a choice wine reception at 6 pm, the wine coming from places where English organs have gone to, or soft drinks.

Booking will need to be made through the soundsmedieval web-site for the conference (10 am to 4 pm) and concert (4 to 6). Please register in advance through this site, even though entry to the conference itself (10 am – 4 pm) is free. We are asking for a £10 donation on the day towards conference tea, coffee and lunch. Concert entry (and drinks) will be £10 if booked in advance through the web-site, or £12 on the door. Full-time student concert advance tickets are £8 ; the concert will be free for children who are 12 and under if accompanied by a responsible adult (maximum 2 children per adult).

Miscellaneous & Suggestions / Is nothing going on in Organdom?
« on: July 11, 2017, 06:50:08 PM »
Has social media made this forum wholly redundant?

Best wishes

David P

Inspirational instruments / The Metzler at Trinity College Cambridge
« on: June 08, 2017, 08:39:06 PM »
It's a real pleasure to hear Radio 3 devoting time to an organ recital - and with David Goode playing Bach on the Metzler at Trinity there's real inspiration.

The history of the instrument is on

I saw reference to its "idiosyncratic" tuning and this was music to my ears. Bach really comes alive on the Metzler and relates that it's tuned to Werkmeister. If only more instruments were tuned to systems with perfect fifths . . .

Best wishes

David P

RCO Academy invites you to
join us in Worcester
in the Georgian tranquillity of St Swithun’s Church for
cantantibus organis
exploring the unique musical landscape of the late mediaeval organ
FRIDAY 16 JUNE at 2.30pm
St Swithun’s Church, Worcester WR1 2RH
Goldman Professor in Organ, Arizona State University
Kimberly will coach organists of all ages in repertoire of the English pre-Reformation:
apply to play in Kimberly’s masterclass (five places available for organists of all ages)
apply to observe
(concessions for RCO Members)

It was a great pleasure a few weeks ago to be the guest of Robert Buhagiar, the organ builder on Malta and Gozo. I'd imagine that few can have curatorship of more historic instruments than he and the two islands are a gem in the organ world.

On I recorded the sound of one of the ancient instruments of 1769, at Hal Ghaxaq.

We went to see another instrument at Qrendi and this was extraordinary, the sound becoming more grand and more profound as more of the upper Ripieno was added. I imagine that the Ripieno harmonics produce beat frequencies as sub-harmonics, creating a very grand sound.

Best wishes

David P

It's amazing how in England the pipe organ seems to be losing relevance whilst in France there are mouth-watering instruments from top to bottom of the country.

In Cannes

Notre Dame de Bon-Voyage

and up north

and nearby a Cavaillé Coll

an English instrument by Alfred Oldknow

At Pleurtuit

and a Nicholson and Lord at St Briac

What do we need to breathe such life into organs in England?

Best wishes

David P

Miscellaneous & Suggestions / Is this forum dead? Is the organ dead?
« on: February 14, 2017, 08:21:12 PM »
Is there any point in the existence of this forum?



Forster & Andrews, Hull (1877)
Re-built by Hill & Sons, London (1906)
Hailsham Parish Church (St Mary’s)
East Sussex
BN27 1BL

NPOR N15407
Three manual and pedals
30 speaking stops
Action: Tubular pneumatic throughout

En-fenêtre front: Width (overall) 14’7”
Height (top of pipes) 19’8”
The organ now has no side casework as it is built
into the base of the tower. It occupies a floor area
approximately 12’9” wide x 14’9” deep.

Originally with tracker action, it was built in 1877
for the concert hall at the Royal Normal College for
the Blind at Upper Norwood in South London. In
1906 it was completely rebuilt by Hill & Sons and
converted to tubular pneumatic action. At this time
the console was replaced. It was extensively
refurbished again by Hill & Sons in 1921.

The college was evacuated soon after the outbreak
of war, and sometime between 1939 and 1944 the
organ was placed into storage by Willis & Sons. It
was installed at Hailsham in 1955 by Hill, Norman
and Beard of Lewes. This installation necessitated
major alterations, and the side casework shown in
early photographs is no longer in existence.

The organ retains its original stencilled display
pipes, and some other original Forster & Andrews
ranks. Other ranks are by Hill & Sons.

The Swell and Great are in reasonable playing order
and the organ is regularly used. Some minor repairs
have been carried out recently, although the last
major overhaul took place in 1981.

Organ for Possible Relocation

Department and Stop List

Pedal Key action TP Stop action TP Compass-low C Compass-high f1 Keys 30
1 Open Diapason 16
2 Bourdon 16
3 Quint 12
4 Flute 8
5 Trombone 16

Great Key action TP Stop action TP Compass-low C Compass-high a3 Keys 58
6 Contra Geigen 16
7 Open Diapason 8
8 Hohl Flute 8
9 Gamba 8
10 Harmonic Flute 4
11 Principal 4
12 Fifteenth 2
13 Mixture
14 Harmonic Tromba 8

Swell Key action TP Stop action TP Compass-low C Compass-high a3 Keys 58
24 Violoncello 8
25 Dulciana 8
26 Lieblich Gedeckt 8
27 Flauto Traverso 4
28 Flautina 2
29 Orchestral Oboe 8
30 Harmonic Tromba (from Great) 8
31 Corno di Bassetto 8

Choir Key action TP Stop action TP Compass-low C Compass-high a3 Keys 58
15 Bourdon 16
16 Open Diapason 8
17 Rohr Flute 8
18 Salicional 8
19 Voix Celeste 8
20 Principal 4
21 Harmonic Piccolo 2
22 Horn 8
23 Oboe 8

Other details
Console type: En-fenêtre
Stop type: Drawstop
Pedalboard: Concave Radiating

Swell to Pedal
Swell to Great
Swell to Choir
Swell octave
Choir to Great
Choir to Pedal
Choir suboctave
Great to Pedal
Balanced swell pedal for Swell
Balance swell pedal for Choir
4 thumb pistons to Great (also on toe studs)
4 thumb pistons to Swell (also on toe studs)
4 thumb pistons to Choir

Blowing: Electric (3-phase)

Location and access
The organ is located at ground level at the
base of the tower immediately behind the
west doors as shown in the photograph.

There is therefore good level access directly
from the outside of the building, although
the space within the tower is very cramped.

The alterations made to the organ when it
was installed included mounting some of
the ranks and some larger isolated pipes
directly onto the walls of the tower.

The blower is located within the bellringing
chamber directly above the organ,
and suitable lifting equipment will be
required to remove it.
Background and timescales

In its current location, in the base of the tower, the organ prevents the historic west doors and
foyer (prior to 1955, a main entrance to the church) from being used. Consequently, the south
door, which is accessed via steps and is therefore far from satisfactory, has to be used as the
main entrance. Furthermore, the west doors, which are on the main approach path and are visible
from the High Street, present a gaunt and unwelcoming prospect, giving the appearance that
church itself may be redundant.

The Parochial Church Council is in discussion with the Chichester Diocesan Advisory
Committee about reordering works that would bring the west doors back into use as the main
entrance, and which due to levels, can provide full access for disabled people. The relocation of
the organ to a new home will be a necessary consequence if approval is granted for these works.

Expressions of interest will therefore be welcome, although the organ’s availability is subject to
faculty permission being obtained from the Chancellor of the Diocese. An application is
currently being prepared.

Please contact us for more information about the organ and its fascinating history, including its
early years at the Royal Normal College for the Blind. Proposals to re-use the remaining
substantial “en fenêtre” casework may also be considered.

While no charge will be made for the organ, the recipient will be responsible for all costs
involved in dismantling and removal.

Enquiries please to:
Ken Thomas
Telephone: 01323 849699 / 07817 560077

Organs in danger / Slow death
« on: January 31, 2017, 07:17:41 PM »
Is it the Organ as an instrument, Churches in which organs are kept or this forum which is dead?

Slow death is painful.

Best wishes

David P

Inspirational instruments / Portable pipe organ
« on: January 25, 2017, 11:43:16 AM » might be one of the most extraordinary creations in the organ world.

Best wishes

David P

The local Association sent around an appeal for a midnight organist. I don't know if the church found one but I wonder how many churches missed having the organ as part of Christmas?

Best wishes

David P

Organ Music and Repertoire / Denis Bedard
« on: November 12, 2016, 10:14:39 AM »
Interesting email from Allegro Music today:
Denis Bedard
We have always been asked for the music of Canadian organist and composer Denis Bedard and until recently it has been difficult to obtain, the only option being direct ordering from Canada. However now Cheldar publications have a dedicated UK agent and we are delighted to have all the organ titles listed on our website! The first link below takes you to the Denis Bedard pages to browse through but we also list below a few highlights:

Bedard Pages Link:

Fantaisie on Ein feste burg
Price £8.00

Huit Invocations
Price £8.00

Organ Music for Christmas
Price £12.95

Pater Noster (8 Pieces)
Price £10.00

Prelude & Toccata on Victimae Paschali
Price £5.50

Six Paraphrase Gregoriennes
Price £8.00

Suite de Concert
Price £8.00

Variations on In Dulci Jubilo
Price £6.50
Variations on Amazing Grace
Price £6.50

Denis Bedard Organ Music Vol.1 (contents on website)
Price £25.00

Denis Bedard Organ Music Vol.2 (contents on website)
Price £25.00

But do have a look at all the Denis Bedard pages as there are many more to choose from!

Old favourites available once more!
Quite often there is a really popular piece that goes out of print or the copyright is lost from the original publisher. But in some cases all is not lost and here are some real gems that are available again:

Garth Edmundson - Toccata on Vom Himmel Hoch (ideal for Christmas)
Price £3.95

Walter Alcock - Introduction & Passacaglia
Price £6.60

Patrick Gowers - An Occasional Trumpet Voluntary
Price £4.50

Lemare - Andantino in D flat
Price £4.40

Robin Milford - Three Christmas Pieces
Price £5.90

Brand New from Fitzjohn!
The latest publication from Fitzjohn publications is another piece by William Wolstenholme:
Wolstenholme - Scherzo in F
Price £6.00

Finally, don’t forget our special offer on “Carols for Choirs”!
Until the end of November, we are offering OUP’s “Carols for Choirs” volumes at a discount. Just click on “Advanced Search” and put Carols for Choirs into the title field and that should take you straight to the whole series.

And don’t forget new and recently published titles in our “Hot off the Press” section. Just click on the box to the right hand side of the home page.

Allegro Music

Redundant Pipe Organ                                                         M0189
Kirtland & Jardine? c.1857
Worsley Methodist Church, Manchester UK
Barton Rd Manchester M28 2GX    SD 750 001
NPOR  D00309
2 manuals and pedals
11 speaking stops
Tracker action to manuals
Tubular Pneumatic action to pedals
Mechanical stop action
Compass          56/30
Width  c.10ft
Depth  c.10ft
Height c.14ft
There is uncertainty over the original builder. But it is likely that Kirtland & Jardine, Conacher and Jardine were all part of its history.
An 1830-50 case and a chalked “1857 Ogden” point to an old instrument. The brass plate screwed above the music desk records “F W Jardine. Manchester” and a cast bellows weight with “J Co.” accords with a BOA Archive revealing a 2 manual 12 (sic) stop organ made for this church by Jardine in 1904.
The pedal rank, mounted at the rear, extends in wings to each side of the main case in a way that suggests the organ was brought to the church from elsewhere.
The instrument hasn’t been used for more than 20 years and has deteriorated in that time. The reservoir leather is rotten and the twin inverted fold, double rise bellows do not rise. However, its singing tone was remarked upon in better days when the organ amply filled the chapel with attractive sound. It is possible to get some response from it now, revealing an unforced and blending tone.
The Great Stopped Diapason has a mild chiff, and the silvery tones of the Swell Flautina are appealing.
Open Diapason           8
Stopped Diap. Bass    8
Stopped Diap. Treb     8
Dulciana                      8
Principal                      4
Rohr Gedact               8
Gamba                         8
Voix Celeste               8
Hohl Flute                   4
Flautina                       2
Bourdon                      16
Swell to Great
Swell Octave to Great
Swell to Pedals
Great to Pedals
Blower stop – alerted the hand-blowing operator
2 composition pedals to Great
2 composition pedals to Swell
Balanced swell pedal
The drawstops and their layout are an unaltered unit, all of a piece, and includes a Blower stop (to signal the blower operator by knocking on a side case panel.) The stops are in square jambs and the Gothic stop head scripts are in black with red capitals.
The pedalboard, parallel and flat, appears to have replaced an earlier one, and a balanced swell pedal has been fitted.
Electric blower.
Hand pump handle and fitting, with feeder bellows, are still in place.
Metal pipes are slide tuned.
Chromatic soundboards.
Most of the display pipe flats are dummies; only the middle five pipes speak.
The organ is sited in the gallery at the east end of the building, and is reported to speak well into the church, and amply led the singing.
This organ is eminently worthy of restoration.
Enquiries about the organ from interested parties should be made to the church contact.
Buyer makes all arrangements for dismantling, packing and transport.
Care has been taken to provide accurate information but the seller is not responsible for errors.
Photographs of the interior are available on request to the sender (Graham Jones,
The building, with organ, has been sold and is in the hands of an estate agent (See Contact below).

Atheists' Corner / What is Atheism?
« on: October 04, 2016, 11:11:27 AM »
As churches continue to be seen to be redundant and the spirit of God fades to the invisible in consciousness a quotation from Richard Feynmann, one of the most important of 20th century physicists becomes relevant -
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. 

What can the Creator be if we cannot see it in Nature? Or can we?

Should we reapply the quotation as
"For a successful theoology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled.   "

Can we recognise any form of Creator in Nature in any manner or means?

Best wishes

David P

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