Speakers for pipe organ builders to recommend for pipeless organs

[David Pinnegar]

Hi!

In the interests of pipe organ preservation it seems appropriate here to recommend pipe organ builders to http://www.roger-russell.com/notone/notone.htm
for specifying speakers to replace pipe organs.

Best wishes

David P

[NonPlayingAnorak]

I hope that's a joke... even if it is, it's not very funny  ::)

[David Pinnegar]

I hope that's a joke... even if it is, it's not very funny  ::)

Dear Richard

I think if you read the webpage you'll find it very very funny indeed. NoTone speakers are just what pipe organ builders need the electronic touts to recommend. They are the very best available and of totally unique design, quality and with a totally transparent performance.

Best wishes

David P

[dragonser]

Hi,
well the address may give a clue
" 666 Triffid Farm Road "

see in addition http://triffids.wuthering-heights.co.uk/summary.htm

regards Peter B

[NonPlayingAnorak]

I hope that's a joke... even if it is, it's not very funny  ::)

Dear Richard

I think if you read the webpage you'll find it very very funny indeed. NoTone speakers are just what pipe organ builders need the electronic touts to recommend. They are the very best available and of totally unique design, quality and with a totally transparent performance.

Best wishes

David P

I did indeed read it, and found it as amusing as watching paint dry.

[David Pinnegar]

I did indeed read it, and found it as amusing as watching paint dry.

:'(

Does no-one have a sense of humour nowadays? According to organist Mark Blatchly laughing is good for the health.

Best wishes

David P

[Holditch]

I thought it very amusing, especially being from the sound industry!

Bricks on CD players, they be selling directional speaker cable next!! AGH!

Marc

[NonPlayingAnorak]

I did indeed read it, and found it as amusing as watching paint dry.

:'(

Does no-one have a sense of humour nowadays? According to organist Mark Blatchly laughing is good for the health.

Best wishes

David P

I do have a sense of humour, just it was left unstimulated this time...

[David Pinnegar]

I do have a sense of humour, just it was left unstimulated this time...

In truth, the post is probably much more amusing to those of us who have been around long enough to witness a whole host of hyped ideas in the consumer audiotronics industry - http://www.roger-russell.com/truth/truth.htm . Oxygen free copper cabling selling for hundreds or thousands of pounds, when good thick mains cable is all required - or even silver and gold conductors - http://www.kharma.com/cables/kharma_cables_grand_reference_loudspeaker_cables.php when http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm proves that all that matters is that the resistance is low enough, capable of being provided by everyday thick copper. Even bog standard AC power cable gets the technohype boost: http://www.audioprism.com/ ; speaker tweeter diaphrams made of diamond http://www.polymeraudio.com/DiamondStudy.pdf to transmit audio frequencies up to 100kHz - oh yeah - with insulated cables supported on high voltage pylon insulators:

For these reasons, NoTone speaker systems with voice coils made of silver plated spider's web really should be promoted: people get better sound for less money with pipe organs. Roger Russell spins a good yarn.

Perhaps organ builders need to make irrelevant components from precious materials so that pipe organs become the status symbol of the super-rich.

What is really worse is a report in The Times today about the 75% drop-off of young people learning a musical instrument. If people cannot play instruments, instruments won't be appreciated, and more will be skipped. We live in impoverished times.

It would be great to hear ORGAN BUILDERS enthusing here on instruments they're working on. If organ builders cannot be enthusiastic about their instruments, how about the man in the street? We don't want NoTone pipe organs and pipe organ builders need to refrain from being NoTone about their work.

Best wishes

David P

[NonPlayingAnorak]

What is really worse is a report in The Times today about the 75% drop-off of young people learning a musical instrument. If people cannot play instruments, instruments won't be appreciated, and more will be skipped. We live in impoverished times.

David P

Oh yeah? You know my mother is a piano and organ teacher... she's never been busier. Absolutely snowed in (not literally, sadly) with enquiries (most of which have led to the signing of contracts and the commencement of lessons). What we need, I think, are more experienced and inspirational teachers, who understand (or know someone who understands) how to use the internet to promote their business...

P. S. http://www.nathanlaube.com/ - he's on at St Michael, Cornhill on Monday lunchtime. Definitely worth going to. I'm thinking of skiving off college to go. He's absolutely b[*****] brilliant - all of the ability of the usual American virtuosi, but much more artistry. Not at all the same beast as Cameron 'Look At Me, Folks, Ain't I Brilliant!' Carpenter, [editorial note - the trouble is that he _is_ brilliant!] or Carlo '[edited out - we all have a fondness for him and all he has done for the organ world]' Curley...

P.P.S. I see you haven't put your Dec18th recital at Hammerwood on organrecitals.com! Ooh deary me... and you need to start using concert-diary.com too...

[revtonynewnham]

Hi

The reason why music teachers are busy is that there aren't as many as there used to be!  And the same applies to piano (& organ) tuners.  There's definitely a big decline in music teaching in UK schools - with a few exceptions.  Some primary schools don't even have a teacher who can play the piano. 

The trend for large secondary schools and school buses mean that after-school events are problematic, so what instrumental lessons there are happen in class time, which means the child missing part of another lesson - I can assure you that this was not popular with the teachers back in the 1980's when my children were at school.  At least the secondary schools they went to had good music teachers - but it was still a struggle.

Another big problem is the decline in music shops - the closure of the Williams group a few years ago has deprived Bradford (and some other towns) of a good general musical instrument outlet - the city now has a drum & percussion specialist, a second-hand musical instrument seller and a back-street shop selling guitars and the like, plus a couple of very small specialists (if they still survive!).  The only ray of light is the Early Music shop at Saltaire - about 4 miles from the centre of Bradford - but again, that's a very specialized outlet, and isn't in a position to gather passing trade. 

Put these issues together, and it makes it difficult to encourage the "casual" buyer, who might just be prepared to "have a go" and then take up an instrument seriously.  It's big concern - and one of the reasons why organists are getting scarcer.

Every Blessing

Tony

[KB7DQH]

I am seriously surprised they aren't selling "voice-canceling" microphones ;D ;D ;D :o ::)

Eric
KB7DQH

[David Pinnegar]

It would be great to hear ORGAN BUILDERS enthusing here on instruments they're working on. If organ builders cannot be enthusiastic about their instruments, how about the man in the street? We don't want NoTone pipe organs and pipe organ builders need to refrain from being NoTone about their work.

Hi!

This thread was found by someone yesterday who brought me an exotic speaker drive unit to repair with a broken speech coil - as soldering what might just as well be silver plated spider web is one of the other things I do apart from untuning pianos . . .

But seriously, I do wish that it might be possible for those who don't appreciate my sense of humour or other eccentricities to actually drown my expressions of enthusiasm with significantly greater excitement about organs. Aren't organs worth making a noise about?

This site is here so that a greater critical mass of people might come to appreciate that the pipe organ is the King of Instruments and not only worth taking notice of, but enjoyably too.

With the closure of the organ building course at Merton College some years ago, we are on the edge of a grey haired precipice with no young people being inspired, nor able, to get into the craft and science of making wonderful instruments that make music of esoteric supremacy . . .

So PLEASE, might those working on organs start to write about them in the various relevant sections of this forum?

Best wishes,

David P